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[Jazer]

mushy steak?

I like my steak very tender. We often cook it in a pressure cooker. The restaurants used msg to tenderize the meat and make it easier to chew, but it is not a popular chemical to use right now. If you order ribs in some of the steak houses they have a special cooker they use that takes up to 4 hours. The meat is just falling off the bones.

 

[Jazer]

Don't forget the camel also, I'd have a hard time going 5 miles walking where they go

Sand can be difficult I remember when they use to force march us 12 miles with a full pack.

 

[Blayz]

I like my steak very tender. We often cook it in a pressure cooker. The restaurants used msg to tenderize the meat and make it easier to chew, but it is not a popular chemical to use right now. If you order ribs in some of the steak houses they have a special cooker they use that takes up to 4 hours. The meat is just falling off the bones.

Seriously? That's just wrong mate. Steak should only ever be medium rare, and require ripping off the bones.

 

[Jazer]

Seriously? That's just wrong mate. Steak should only ever be medium rare, and require ripping off the bones.

Yep, if you have teeth to chew it with, I don't so I have to cook my food according to that. Although I am working on getting into the dentist to see about getting something made so I can chew my food more.

That is not the point though. I am reading the book: "Catching Fire" that talks about evolution. But people here on this board seem to be more against the theory of evolution then they are for it. I am beginning to wonder if anyone even knows anything about it or if they have ever even read one book about evolution. Other then what they spoon fed in school. Don't take me wrong, I appreciate that people are willing to point out the weakness in evolutionary theory. Saves me the trouble of having to do it.

 

[rjc34]

I like my steak very tender. We often cook it in a pressure cooker. The restaurants used msg to tenderize the meat and make it easier to chew, but it is not a popular chemical to use right now. If you order ribs in some of the steak houses they have a special cooker they use that takes up to 4 hours. The meat is just falling off the bones.

Er, no. MSG is a carrier of the glutamate molecule which stimulates the umami taste. It does absolutely nothing to tenderize meat.

But I think the special cooking method you're thinking of is called 'sous-vide', which basically involves sticking your food inside a vacuum-sealed bag (ie meat with a marinade) and then pressure-cooking it to the right temperature.

 

[Blayz]

Yep, if you have teeth to chew it with, I don't so I have to cook my food according to that. Although I am working on getting into the dentist to see about getting something made so I can chew my food more.

Good luck with that.

I am beginning to wonder if anyone even knows anything about it or if they have ever even read one book about evolution.

A fair few of the people here work in the field and write the books, rather than reading them.

Other then what they spoon fed in school. Don't take me wrong, I appreciate that people are willing to point out the weakness in evolutionary theory. Saves me the trouble of having to do it.

School was over 30 years ago and the only text books I read are the ones I help write. You are going to have to shift this paradigm that evolution begins and ends in the classroom and on the book shelves. As uncomfortable as you find it, evolution is a tool that biologists use on a daily basis in their work.

 

[Naraoia]

That is not the point though. I am reading the book: "Catching Fire" that talks about evolution.

I thought it talked about a particular hypothesis on the evolution of a particular species, not about evolution in general.

But people here on this board seem to be more against the theory of evolution then they are for it. I am beginning to wonder if anyone even knows anything about it or if they have ever even read one book about evolution.

*raises hand*

Of course, I'm wholeheartedly for.

 

[Jazer]

As uncomfortable as you find it, evolution is a tool that biologists use on a daily basis in their work.

What makes you think I am uncomfortable. I do not care if they think they know what they are talking about or not. There are cities that less then 50% of the people graduate from High School. If you have read at least one book on evolution then you already know more then 99% of the people in the world today. The people who have enough knowledge about it to write a book are maybe one in ten thousand. My brother wrote a text book on downs syndrome and it took him three years. He figured that was enough, he would let someone else do it.

 

[Jazer]

I thought it talked about a particular hypothesis on the evolution of a particular species, not about evolution in general.

Publishers Weekly
“[A] fascinating study… Wrangham's lucid, accessible treatise ranges across nutritional science, Paleontology and studies of ape behavior and hunter-gatherer societies; the result is a tour de force of natural history and a profound analysis of cooking's role in daily life.”
Publishers Weekly, starred review
“[A] fascinating study… Wrangham’s lucid, accessible treatise ranges across nutritional science, paleontology and studies of ape behavior and hunter-gatherer societies; the result is a tour de force of natural history and a profound analysis of cooking’s role in daily life.”
Kirkus Reviews
“An innovative argument that cooked food led to the rise of modern Homo sapiens.... Experts will debate Wrangham’s thesis, but most readers will be convinced by this lucid, simulating foray into popular anthropology.”
The Harvard Brain
“With clear and engaging prose, Catching Fire addresses a key and enduring scientific issue central to the quest to understand our species. It offers new insights for anyone interested in human evolution, history, anthropology, nutrition, and for everyone interested in food."
Edward O. Wilson, Harvard University
“In this thoroughly researched and marvelously well written book, Richard Wrangham has convincingly supplied a missing piece in the evolutionary origin of humanity.”
Matt Ridley, author of Genome and The Agile Gene
“Cooking completely transformed the human race, allowing us to live on the ground, develop bigger brains and smaller mouths, and invent specialized sex roles. This notion is surprising, fresh and, in the hands of Richard Wrangham, utterly persuasive. He brings to bear evidence from chimpanzees, fossils, food labs, and dieticians. Big, new ideas do not come along often in evolution these days, but this is one.”
Steven Raichlen, author of The Barbecue Bible and How to Grill; host of Primal Grill
“A book of startling originality and breathtaking erudition. Drawing on disciplines as diverse as anthropology, sociology, biology, chemistry, physics, literature, nutrition, and cooking, Richard Wrangham addresses two simple but very profound questions: How did we evolve from Australopithecus to Homo sapiens, and what makes us human? The answer can be found at your barbecue grill and I dare say it will surprise you…”
Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food and The Omnivore's Dilemma
“Catching Fire is convincing in argument and impressive in its explanatory power. A rich and important book.”
Seed Magazine
“…makes a convincing case for the importance of cooking in the human diet, finding a connection between our need to eat cooked food in order to survive and our preference for soft foods. The popularity of Wonderbread, the digestion of actual lumps of meat, and the dangers of indulging our taste buds all feature in this expository romp through our gustatory evolution.”
Discover Magazine
“…fascinating…”
The New York Times
“‘Catching Fire’ is a plain-spoken and thoroughly gripping scientific essay that presents nothing less than a new theory of human evolution...one that Darwin (among others) simply missed.”
Slate.com
“Brilliant… a fantastically weird way of looking at evolutionary change.”
The San Francisco Chronicle
“As new angles go, it's pretty much unbeatable.”
The Washington Post
“Wrangham draws together previous studies and theories from disciplines as diverse as anthropology, biology, chemistry, sociology and literature into a cogent and compelling argument.”
Texas Observer
“Wrangham’s attention to the most subtle of behaviors keeps the reader enrapt…a compelling picture, and one that I now contemplate every time I turn on my stove."
Providence Journal
“Richard Wrangham presents this thesis in a concise, cogent, and accessible way.”

The New York Times Book Review
“A new theory of human evolution – ‘the cooking hypothesis’ – is related in plain-spoken, gripping language.”

--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

See all Editorial Reviews

 

[Blayz]

What makes you think I am uncomfortable.

Because you constantly refer to schools, text books and popular press, and when the concept of someone being a scientists comes up, your response is usually along the lines of...

I do not care if they think they know what they are talking about or not.

You do not pour this derision on any other field, as far as I can tell you are quite happy with the professional knowledge of architects, lawyers, car mechanics, aerospace engineers and truck drivers.

It's just scientists you cannot get your head around. Which is understandable. Creationists require that evolution be easy, that it be something for which the only relevance is primary school and for which it can be something the "kids can decide for themselves" The idea it takes years of specialised knowledge to understand destroys your argument in its entirety. Of course you have to fight against it.

 

[rjc34]

Publishers Weekly
“[A] fascinating study… Wrangham's lucid, accessible treatise ranges across nutritional science, Paleontology and studies of ape behavior and hunter-gatherer societies; the result is a tour de force of natural history and a profound analysis of cooking's role in daily life.”
Publishers Weekly, starred review
“[A] fascinating study… Wrangham’s lucid, accessible treatise ranges across nutritional science, paleontology and studies of ape behavior and hunter-gatherer societies; the result is a tour de force of natural history and a profound analysis of cooking’s role in daily life.”
Kirkus Reviews
“An innovative argument that cooked food led to the rise of modern Homo sapiens.... Experts will debate Wrangham’s thesis, but most readers will be convinced by this lucid, simulating foray into popular anthropology.”
The Harvard Brain
“With clear and engaging prose, Catching Fire addresses a key and enduring scientific issue central to the quest to understand our species. It offers new insights for anyone interested in human evolution, history, anthropology, nutrition, and for everyone interested in food."
Edward O. Wilson, Harvard University
“In this thoroughly researched and marvelously well written book, Richard Wrangham has convincingly supplied a missing piece in the evolutionary origin of humanity.”
Matt Ridley, author of Genome and The Agile Gene
“Cooking completely transformed the human race, allowing us to live on the ground, develop bigger brains and smaller mouths, and invent specialized sex roles. This notion is surprising, fresh and, in the hands of Richard Wrangham, utterly persuasive. He brings to bear evidence from chimpanzees, fossils, food labs, and dieticians. Big, new ideas do not come along often in evolution these days, but this is one.”
Steven Raichlen, author of The Barbecue Bible and How to Grill; host of Primal Grill
“A book of startling originality and breathtaking erudition. Drawing on disciplines as diverse as anthropology, sociology, biology, chemistry, physics, literature, nutrition, and cooking, Richard Wrangham addresses two simple but very profound questions: How did we evolve from Australopithecus to Homo sapiens, and what makes us human? The answer can be found at your barbecue grill and I dare say it will surprise you…”
Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food and The Omnivore's Dilemma
“Catching Fire is convincing in argument and impressive in its explanatory power. A rich and important book.”
Seed Magazine
“…makes a convincing case for the importance of cooking in the human diet, finding a connection between our need to eat cooked food in order to survive and our preference for soft foods. The popularity of Wonderbread, the digestion of actual lumps of meat, and the dangers of indulging our taste buds all feature in this expository romp through our gustatory evolution.”
Discover Magazine
“…fascinating…”
The New York Times
“‘Catching Fire’ is a plain-spoken and thoroughly gripping scientific essay that presents nothing less than a new theory of human evolution...one that Darwin (among others) simply missed.”
Slate.com
“Brilliant… a fantastically weird way of looking at evolutionary change.”
The San Francisco Chronicle
“As new angles go, it's pretty much unbeatable.”
The Washington Post
“Wrangham draws together previous studies and theories from disciplines as diverse as anthropology, biology, chemistry, sociology and literature into a cogent and compelling argument.”
Texas Observer
“Wrangham’s attention to the most subtle of behaviors keeps the reader enrapt…a compelling picture, and one that I now contemplate every time I turn on my stove."
Providence Journal
“Richard Wrangham presents this thesis in a concise, cogent, and accessible way.”

The New York Times Book Review
“A new theory of human evolution – ‘the cooking hypothesis’ – is related in plain-spoken, gripping language.”

--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

See all Editorial Reviews

So basically.... he was right.

 

[Jazer]

So basically.... he was right.

Who was right about what? I was right that the people here claim to believe in evolution but in fact they do not.

 

[Jazer]

The idea it takes years of specialised knowledge to understand destroys your argument in its entirety.

What arguement, I actually read books about evolution, that means I know it better then 99% of the people out there in the world. If you can not get anywhere with people like me that read up and study it, then your in real trouble with the average christian with their associate degree pastors.

I have said many, many, many times there is no conflict between religion and science. You can attend your Bible class and you can attend whatever science class you want to attend and there is no conflict. Science and the Bible get along just fine. As a general rule people who claim to know science know nothing about the Bible. I know people with Phd's that do not have a third grade level of knowledge about the Bible. It is something they know nothing about and they do not want to know anything about it.

 

[rjc34]

Who was right about what? I was right that the people here claim to believe in evolution but in fact they do not.

Completely non-sequitur to the point.

Naraoia said the book discussed a particular hypothesis about the evolutionary line of a particular species. The reviews you posted confirm that.

Please, just admit you were wrong.

 

[Blayz]

What arguement, I actually read books about evolution, that means I know it better then 99% of the people out there in the world.

^^ that argument.

If you can not get anywhere with people like me that read up and study it, then your in real trouble with the average christian with their associate degree pastors.

Umm...hold on, there appears to be a disconnect here. I post in CF for the lulz and to highlight the errors of the "opposition" to any lurkers that happen by. I am not really interested in changing your mind, and certainly not in reaching some pastor dude somewhere. My God doesn't require followers.

 

[Naraoia]

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In other words, I was right.

So basically.... he was right.

She

Who was right about what? I was right that the people here claim to believe in evolution but in fact they do not.

Wherever did you get that idea?

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by Jazer

Who was right about what? I was right that the people here claim to believe in evolution but in fact they do not.
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Wherever did you get that idea?

i can tell you for sure it is not derived thro' an understanding of rigor, fact or evidence that would pass any sort of 'reasonable man" standard.

 

[Jazer]

i can tell you for sure it is not derived thro' an understanding of rigor, fact or evidence that would pass any sort of 'reasonable man" standard.

Don't count on it. People are prejudice, period the end. They are going to twist the data to fit their pre conceived idea of things. I think everyone pretty much believes in evolution to the same degree. Creationist claim not to believe because that serves their agenda. Evolutionists claim to believe when they really do not, because it serves their agenda to claim to believe. If you try to use evolution to support a creationist theory all of a sudden the evolutionists turn against their own theory because the end result does not accomplish their objective. Look at Gould and Meyer, both taught Evolution at Harvard and yet they did not agree on anything.

 

[Jazer]

Wherever did you get that idea?

I got that idea because I was talking about evolution theory out of a very highly rated book and people wanted to argue with me and disagree about it. We all know that evolutionists fight and argue about everything among themselves. They got a lot of theory but don't seem to have the evidence to back it up.

 

[Jazer]

Umm...hold on, there appears to be a disconnect here. I post in CF for the lulz and to highlight the errors of the "opposition" to any lurkers that happen by. I am not really interested in changing your mind, and certainly not in reaching some pastor dude somewhere. My God doesn't require followers.

I am not looking for converts either. We can all agree that would be a scary thought to convert people to think the way I do. I just like to learn about this stuff and it's nice to have people to talk to about it. Every now and then people will ask me about something so I will try to answer their questions. If I have an agenda it is to maintain that the people in the Bible are real historical people. But I do not see why that should be a problem for anyone.