To all athiests out there: bring it on

Hector Medina · Dec 26, 2002

Once again, Hector, you're full of it. The first year in recorded history was around 4236 B.C.E. and it was by the Egyptian calendar. Try educating yourself before running your mouth please.

Here's a couple links by the way

http://webexhibits.org/calendars/ca...ient.html#egypt

http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/ancient.html

-brett
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Those sources are biased information from a evolutionist viewpoint.

Ice Age 20,000 yrs ago,etc......
"Yawn"
I believe an Ice Age could have occured after the Flood mabye 2300 B.C. ish

The Egyptian Calendar account comes pretty close to the Hebrew in age,however why would I believe any account that would oppose God's chosen peoples' records?

I don't know enough to go into it but either way I don't believe it........

In Christ,

Hector

notto · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Another thing,

The oldest Calendar is exsistance is the Hebrew Calendar which dates back to about 3600 B.C.(give or take).

And iof your wondering if the Chinese calendar is older its not,it only goes back to around 2000 B.C.

And if the world was created in approx. 4004 B.C. dosent that make sense?

Hector

If you won't believe other sources, then perhaps you should give your consistently and stop making statements that say things like "the oldest calendar in existance" and instead say "according to this source, the oldest calendar is blah, while other sources disagree".

You need to back up your assertations with reputable sources if you want to make statements that we are to take as credible.

Hector Medina · Dec 26, 2002

LadyShea typed:

I am putting Hector on ignore. He has been presented with the evidence over and over that the Hebrew calendar is NOT the oldest, but just doesn't hear anything.

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Hurrah!!!!!!

Could you also get all the other: evolutionists,atheists,scoffers,communists,socialists,facists,racists,cultists,terrorists,etc..... to put me on Ignore as well.

You alone are just 1 of them out of my way but the more the merrier!

AMEN

In Christ,

Hector

lithium. · Dec 26, 2002

Pete Harcoff · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina

You alone are just 1 of them out of my way but the more the merrier!

If you're so "opposed" to people who believe in evolutionary theory, then why are you posting in this forum at all?

Hector Medina · Dec 26, 2002

Well Pete,

I gotta survive man,and this is my favorite and primary posting place.

I'm too lazy to go anywhere else for the moment ......

Hector

Smilin · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
LadyShea typed:

I am putting Hector on ignore. He has been presented with the evidence over and over that the Hebrew calendar is NOT the oldest, but just doesn't hear anything.

____________________________________________________________
Hurrah!!!!!!

Could you also get all the other: evolutionists,atheists,scoffers,communists,socialists,facists,racists,cultists,terrorists,etc..... to put me on Ignore as well.

You alone are just 1 of them out of my way but the more the merrier!

AMEN

In Christ,

Hector

Is that a Christian attitude now?

By the way...which of those labels do you associate me with?

Smilin

Smilin · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Well Pete,

I gotta survive man,and this is my favorite and primary posting place.

I'm too lazy to go anywhere else for the moment ......

Hector

errr...sorry, I just have to quote scripture now:

Proverbs 19
<SUP>24</SUP>   A slothful man hideth his hand in his bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.

seebs · Dec 26, 2002

Er, if you're ignoring all the evolutionists, how exactly will you present a case?

Smilin · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by seebs
Er, if you're ignoring all the evolutionists, how exactly will you present a case?

The 'silent treatment' gets you nowhere...  

Pete Harcoff · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Well Pete,

I gotta survive man,and this is my favorite and primary posting place.

I'm too lazy to go anywhere else for the moment ......

Hector

I meant, why are you posting in the "Science, Creation & Evolution" forum specifically. If all you can offer up to counter arguments to your position is hand-waving dismissals, then your presence in this particular forum is pointless.

euphoric · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Those sources are biased information from a evolutionist viewpoint.

Ice Age 20,000 yrs ago,etc......
"Yawn"
I believe an Ice Age could have occured after the Flood mabye 2300 B.C. ish

The Egyptian Calendar account comes pretty close to the Hebrew in age,however why would I believe any account that would oppose God's chosen peoples' records?

I don't know enough to go into it but either way I don't believe it........

In Christ,

Hector

So your response to the fact that you are in obvious error is that my sources, including the National Institute of Standards and Technology website, are biased.  Your criteria for bias is that they don't agree with your shoddy research.  Wow, you are firmly cementing yourself in the crackpot hall of fame. 

Your drivel about the Hebrew calendar is wrong.  Not controversial, not unbiased, not biblical, just wrong.  Instead of admitting to your mistake, you go ever further out on the whacko branch by claiming that every source that disagrees with you is biased. 

Well, Hector is obviously a lost cause in the reasonable human being area, so here's one for the lurkers who might be tempted to believe this tripe.  Five separate sources listing the Egyptian calendar as the world's oldest and at least 4236 B.C.E. as one of the first years in recorded history:

The University of Kansas
http://www.kumc.edu/international/gnn/volume4/gnn0001.htm

The University of California (scroll to the bottom of the page to find the reference)
http://visarts.ucsd.edu/~blohr/Hillel/page3.html

A Canadian High School
http://www.mps.k12.nf.ca/mathematics/Grassroots/Calendars%20of%20the%20Ancient%20World/Cal5/cal5.htm

State University of New York Institute of Technology
http://sts.sunyit.edu/timetech/calndr.html

And last, but not least...

WorldBook Encyclopedia
http://www2.worldbook.com/features/features.asp?feature=calendars&page=html/egyptian.htm&direct=yes

By the way, the webexhibits.org article in my first post is linked to by both
bile history.com

and

 The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

So, Hector, what exactly are your sources for the Hebrew calendar being the oldest? (It is only out of the most morbid of curiosities that I pose this question in the first place)

-brett

lucaspa · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Smilin
Evolution doesn't contradict the Bible.  However, since I've pointed this out to you before, I'm sure you'll ignore it again.  Evolution, in fact, is the only explanation for many Biblical stories, such as: 

1. All present animals on our planet originating from the animals carried on the ark.  (Do the math of the dimensions for the ark and you'll see there is NO WAY that all current species could have fit into such a boat.

This one is pretty good. And you get support from none other than Answers in Genesis.

See http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n3_liger.asp The diagram on that page looks just like the diagram in Origin which you can see at http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin/texts/origin_6th/origin6th_04.html

So creationists, in fact, do invoke evolution to explain the origin of different species of animals since the Flood.

lucaspa · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Hector Medina
I believe an Ice Age could have occured after the Flood mabye 2300 B.C. ish

The Egyptian Calendar account comes pretty close to the Hebrew in age,however why would I believe any account that would oppose God's chosen peoples' records?

I don't know enough to go into it but either way I don't believe it........ Hector [/B]

So you believe a global Flood happened after 2300 BC ish.  OK, so test this to see if you can falsify it.  Well, the archeological dig at Jericho shows continuous habitation through that period with no sediments that indicate a flood.  Falsifies it.  Or you can look at the historical records from Egypt, the Indus, or China. Again, continuous records through that period with no interruption by a Flood.

Once again, your "belief" is falsified by the data.

Now, look at your last sentence.  You don't know enough but you won't accept the data. Why? Because it conflicts with records of "God's chosen people". Now, where does being Yahweh's chosen people mean that their records have to be completely accurate?  Nowhere in the original covenant can I find that clause.  Can you?

Basically, what you are saying is that you don't accept the data because it falsifies a theory that you like.  Now, is that an honest way to look at God's universe? Or is that setting yourself up above God?

Jerry Smith · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by lucaspa
This one is pretty good. And you get support from none other than Answers in Genesis.

See http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v22n3_liger.asp The diagram on that page looks just like the diagram in Origin which you can see at http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin/texts/origin_6th/origin6th_04.html

So creationists, in fact, do invoke evolution to explain the origin of different species of animals since the Flood.

Here are the diagrams, for the clicking impaired:

Creationist evolution:

Darwinian evolution:

and since Darwin's sketches are hard to read & had yet to be filled in with much data, a more modern (partial) tree:

Preciousmyheart · Dec 26, 2002

[GLOW=blue]I just wanted to add my thoughts to this discussion.[/GLOW]

John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Preciousmyheart · Dec 26, 2002

smilin

It also states in the Bible that you can handle serpents and drink poison without being harmed...do you believe that (literally) as well...and if so...would you demonstrate?

Did you not hear the report NBC did about french fries causing cancer?

Every day that we drive, walk, eat, sleep, or breathe the environment that we are in, it is proof of our faith in God whether or not we acknowledge that same God. Every time science says one thing and realizes it is wrong and changes it (think capillaries) science itself proves that there is a God.
Rom. 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
If a person has decided that there is a God but not all of the Bible is true then no one can make that person believe otherwise. I would love it if everyone had had the experiences with him I have (and I have medical proof) but everyone hasn't and I also know that you can't find God by searching, but He has to reveal Himself to you. We really need to believe everything He left us in His Word because we are responsible for all of it.

lucaspa · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Preciousmyheart
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [/B]

This isn't what the discussion is about. What you have is a theological statement saying God created. Creationism is a specific how God created. So is evolution. So the issue for a Christian is not whether Yahweh created, but how.

"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works."  James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, The Religious Aspects of Evolution, 2d ed. 1890, pg 68.

lucaspa · Dec 26, 2002

Originally posted by Jerry Smith
Here are the diagrams, for the clicking impaired: 

Thanks. I'd really appreciate it if you'd e-mail me and tell me how you did that.

Outspoken · Dec 26, 2002

"This isn't what the discussion is about. What you have is a theological statement saying God created. Creationism is a specific how God created. So is evolution. So the issue for a Christian is not whether Yahweh created, but how."

Agreed, but from a theological perspective, evolution is wrong according to the text as well.

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