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I was watching a sermon about tithing and the preacher made a rather good case for tithing. I believe that everything belongs to the Lord and that includes money. But I don't remember the Israelites tithing with money but their firstfruits including food and such. What does the Bible say about tithing and money for New Testament believers?
 

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Some things are established in the OT and continues. One example is musical instruments that aren't mentioned in the NT but we usually don't have discussions about whether to have musical instruments today.

Jesus, while on earth (yet still God), watched the offering plates and noted who gave and how much (Mark 12:39-44). That's sufficient enough for me. If He doesn't have our money, we're not surrendering that area of our lives to Him.
 
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The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.

According to Hebrews 7:5,12,18, tithing was disannulled.

When God gave the Israelites the promised land, he RESERVED, for Himself, a tenth of the crops and every tenth animal. They NEVER did belong to the Israelites. In other words, the tithe was from God's increase of FOOD, not from man's income. It was a way to distribute FOOD to the Levites and priests who did NOT inherit any land.

No one, not even the farmers, tithed on their income.

The farmers made their income by SELLING and/or barter-exchanging their crops and animals but did NOT tithe on that income.

Today, ALL born-again believers are priests. ALL of us are called to be deciples of the Lord. No one of us is higher than another. Our bodies are the Temple where the Spirit dwells. According to the scriptures, priests do not tithe.
 
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Paul makes a very interesting point about giving . He says :

" Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "

I personally give around 10 % , but I don't think its absolutely mandatory . Like Paul says , give what you feel good giving . The church relies on our donations , and it is also an act of faith towards God , as the host mentioned , it is all His : )

PS - that's in 2nd Corinthians 9 : 7
 
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Paul makes a very interesting point about giving . He says :

" Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "

I personally give around 10 % , but I don't think its absolutely mandatory . Like Paul says , give what you feel good giving . The church relies on our donations , and it is also an act of faith towards God , as the host mentioned , it is all His : )

PS - that's in 2nd Corinthians 9 : 7

This is a good point. I hold that morality as shown in commandments which are included in the old testament still holds. But the defined amount by Law for people of Israel was specific to them, and basically has offering animals and crops from possessions to Yahweh, and sharing in some of the portions, spelled out. It is a type for the virtue of giving generously of what you can, which is from Yahweh. We are led in this as believers, so in this a numerical value is not binding on all, but with the principle that giving is generous, in things that are of the purposes of Yahweh.
 
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Our pastor touched a bit on this last Sunday (we are studying I Corinthians) and stated that you can tithe in 3 ways: your money, your time, and your service. Quite honestly, money is extremely tight for me and my wife right now, but we try to do everything we can to help with the Church. My feeling is that all too often tithing or donating is looked at as only giving money, which is important to allow the Church to run and do many outreach projects, and nothing else when it actually encompasses much more.

I do follow what is listed in a post above regarding being a cheerful giver. If you are giving something, and doing it in a begrudging way (maybe b/c you feel forced or something), I don't see that as honoring God in any way.
 
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But I don't remember the Israelites tithing with money but their firstfruits including food and such.
There doesn't appear to be any kind of monetary base in Israel other than coins from the Greek or Roman governments in the last century BC and early 2nd AD. As someone else said, it was a bartering society.
What does the Bible say about tithing and money for New Testament believers?
Others have answered that more than adequately. I particularly liked the posts regarding Paul's comments in Gal. 6:7, 8 and the observation about Jesus watching the tithing plates to see who gave what (in Roman coinage, by the way).
 
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Can anyone show me any verse, anywhere in scripture, where the tithe is EVER defined as wage earners handing over a tenth of their wages to the Levites?

Why do people habitually ignore the vast gulf that swallows any comparison between an EXCHANGE of labor, time and skills for wages, and the INCREASE originating from a mechanism in nature over which mankind has no control?

Abraham tithed from property he knew wasn't his in the first place. His own personal wealth was still located in northern Canaan, so the false teaching that he established some sort of unwritten principle for us to follow is utterly false. Numbers 31 commands the spoils of war be handled in such a way that those who went to war handed over 1/500th to the priests, and those who didn't fight in the war handed over 1/50th to the priests. That included live people taken in the war.

Both figures are a FAR cry from 1/10th.

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Our pastor touched a bit on this last Sunday (we are studying I Corinthians) and stated that you can tithe in 3 ways: your money, your time, and your service. Quite honestly, money is extremely tight for me and my wife right now, but we try to do everything we can to help with the Church. My feeling is that all too often tithing or donating is looked at as only giving money, which is important to allow the Church to run and do many outreach projects, and nothing else when it actually encompasses much more.

I do follow what is listed in a post above regarding being a cheerful giver. If you are giving something, and doing it in a begrudging way (maybe b/c you feel forced or something), I don't see that as honoring God in any way.

I really like this. Like you and your wife, my husband and I are extremely tight money-wise, but I'm doing more for the church - though I know we need to tithe more.
Not out of guilt, but more that I know it's good for me to support the church.
 
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Our pastor touched a bit on this last Sunday (we are studying I Corinthians) and stated that you can tithe in 3 ways: your money, your time, and your service. Quite honestly, money is extremely tight for me and my wife right now, but we try to do everything we can to help with the Church.

You capitalized the "C" in Church, so I must ask how you define your use of that term?

Considering that you stated the above in reference to what an institutional pastor said, it seems reasonable to assume you're referring to the institution itself, and its needs.

If I may, where do you see such an example or command anywhere in the NT?

I'm curious because I've been struggling with the concept of meeting the needs of my church organization BEFORE I meet the genuine needs of fellow believers and the needy in my local community BEFORE I meet the needs of such luxuries as a facility, real estate, associated bills, staffing, programs, etc.

If I support, first and foremost, something from which I personally reap direct benefit, whether it's money, time, talent, or anything else we can think up, and the needs of fellow believers and the needy in our local communities take a secondary back seat, what treasure have I stored up in Heaven?

Some have argued by pointing at the outreaches of the organization itself, but that assumes the organizations are modeled after what we can see in the NT and their giving.

Folks, that's an apples to oranges comparison from what I'm seeing when I read the pages of the NT for what they actually say.

Several people once argued:

A church organization can do more with the collective giving they are given than any one individual.

That got the ol' rusty gears grinding into motion, which led to me marveling at how mathematically challenged so many people are these days....

Do the math behind the false arguments infavor of institutionalism:

Given some actual thought, one can begin to see that 10 families handing over, say $100 each, as their monthly giving to meet actual needs of, for example, families in the neighborhood suffering from layoffs, versus a church organization in that same neighborhood handing out only $5 to $10 left over from that same $100 each of those ten families handed over to that church organization. You don't need a Ph.D to see the problem in that flimsy argument.

Folks, you don't have to be a math whiz to see the desparity in the feeble arguments in favor of institutional church organizations receiving the primary, largest portion of your weekly, bi-weekly or monthly giving.

Those same people, once they saw how wrong they were, demanded that giving to their church organization is giving to God, and that the Lord always provides for those in need.

As I recall, Jesus didn't order that the coins in the group purse be handed over to the Levites, the priests, or any official tied to the temple. He ordered that it be given to the poor. At that time, the temple was still the focal point of God's presence on earth within the Holy of Holies, for the veil had not yet been ripped from top to bottom.

When I handed over the largest and primary portion of my giving to my church organization, from which I reaped direct benefit, how was I storing up treasure in Heaven?

How, then, can anyone demand, with a clear conscience, that handing over the largest, primary portion of ones giving to something from which one reaps direct benefit is therefore "...giving to God?"

Are all those buildings and the money poured into them representative of God? Does a steeple pointing at the sky make a difference?

The temple veil was literally ripped wide open. The fulfillment of what that temple represented had been completed in Christ Jesus, for His spirit, from that point onward, dwels in us. How, then, do I justify sewing up that veil, and continuing pretending that support of those things is support of the Lord and His Kingdom. Doesn't His Kingdom reside within us?

I'm not saying that nobody should support something that blesses them and others, but support of such things should be secondary to our primary responsibility toward one another and the needy in our local communities.

Each and every one of us is therefore directly responsible for where our giving ends up. That portion used in support of something from which I reap benefit stores nothing in Heaven.

For example: I reap no Heavenly reward when I pay my monthly rent, mortgage, car payment, or anything else from which I reap direct benefit, so why should I expect reward for supporting any other luxuries I enjoy.

When I TRULY GIVE to the needy, they hand nothing back to me from which I directly benefit.

An HONEST comparison should lead any one of us to an answer that clearly defies the usual drone of rhetoric we hear from behind pulpits.

But, then, not everyone is concerned with the importance of pursuing TRUTH at all costs....even at the cost to their own, or someone else's, eisegetical interpretations of scripture.

BTW
 
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Sorry, I should have clarified a bit. My pastor touched on this, but didn't state outright that you should tithe. I made it sound differently. She said that you if you felt moved to, those are the ways you could give to the Church. To the best of my knowledge, tithing isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Personally, I don't feel it is required, but I also feel moved to give to the Church when I can in whatever way I can. Money's tight right now, so I try to do when I can.

In regards to giving to those in need versus giving to the Church, our Church often uses funds for just such outreach programs and has also given funds in the past to members in need. I have no problem with giving to those in need versus making a donation to the Church. You are helping those in need, you are making a great example of yourself, and you are doing so as a Believer. I can't see that as anything but God's work through you.

Also, I always capitalize Church. I just treat it as a proper noun. Nothing is being implied at all. In my earlier post, and this one above, I was just speaking of Churches in general.
 
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In regards to giving to those in need versus giving to the Church, our Church often uses funds for just such outreach programs and has also given funds in the past to members in need.

Well, my treatise was never a matter of one thing versus another. The thrust of my post was to point out the problem with priorities. Giving to meet needs should always come before supporting the luxury of communal facilities and professional staffing.

I have no problem with giving to those in need versus making a donation to the Church.

Giving to those in need is exactly the biblical model practiced in the NT.

Institutionalism is not the Church.

BTW
 
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A lot of Pastors who teach this as mandatory treat it exactly like a tax and then guilt trip the congregation over not giving exactly a tenth.
Yes , I personally disagree with that teaching . Some churches actually require a W-2 form to be shown each year . To me that is very legalistic and lame .
 
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Yes but do churches not need to be supported to keep the bills paid , and the doors open ?

In a technical sense, yes.

However, when we degenerate down to the level of "The end justifies the means," we've completely lost sight of God's priorities.

What do you suppose is more important to the Lord, the building's needs or people's needs?

BTW
 
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