Tithing is Vital

[MatthiasProctor]

There are many preachers and men of God who say that we are under no obligation to tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22). But that money is actually given to the Lord. Some will say that we no longer need to tithe because we are under grace, not the law, but tithing is not part of the ceremonial, sacrificial, or temple laws (which have been fulfilled through Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary), but is part of his moral, in which still stands today. True grace does not lead to lawlessness, but unto RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those that truly love the Lord will keep his commands In fact, those who do not tithe are robbing God (Malachi 3:8) and therefore they are thieves. According to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 thieves do not go to heaven, they go to Hell for all eternity. Due to the word of God those who do not tithe go to Hell.
These are the commands of the Lord. Are you going to believe God’s word or man’s word?

May Jesus bless you.

If you still have doubts, I urge you to click on the link below.
http://christiscoming777.com/2012/0...e-there-eternal-consequences-for-non-tithing/

 

[paul1149]

Since you asked for it by posting to this subforum, my advice is that you should read the subforum's statement of purpose.

 

[Mister_Al]

The Law of Moses (tithing) was a covenant between God and Israel and the gentiles were not a partaker of it. So, in actuality God has never commanded us (gentiles) to tithe.

Ephesians 2:11-12 Amplified (amp)

11 Therefore, remember that at one time you Gentiles by birth, who are called “Uncircumcision” by those who called themselves “Circumcision,” [itself a mere mark] which is made in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that at that time you were separated from Christ [excluded from any relationship with Him], alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise [with no share in the sacred Messianic promise and without knowledge of God’s agreements], having no hope [in His promise] and [living] in the world without God.

The verse in Malachi that everybody loves to preach that you are robbing God if you don't tithe is a chastisement from God to the priests for keeping the tithes they received from the people for themselves and not giving God His covenant share. It has nothing to do with God cursing church members for not tithing, but a lot of pastors won't admit it.

Also, if God will send you to hell for not tithing then Jesus died in vain.

Blessings,

Alan

 

[CowWarrior]

I trust my spirit that tithing should be part of our lives for the money was given by God.

The question here is how should we tithe?
Should we give to a church that basically went astray?
Should we give it to the poor that pretends to beg?

This is extremely tough question because we don't want to mistakenly give God's money to the rich.
Improve your temple with the money, and do work for God with that money.

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

There are many preachers and men of God who say that we are under no obligation to tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22). But that money is actually given to the Lord. Some will say that we no longer need to tithe because we are under grace, not the law, but tithing is not part of the ceremonial, sacrificial, or temple laws (which have been fulfilled through Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary), but is part of his moral, in which still stands today. True grace does not lead to lawlessness, but unto RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those that truly love the Lord will keep his commands In fact, those who do not tithe are robbing God (Malachi 3:8) and therefore they are thieves. According to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 thieves do not go to heaven, they go to Hell for all eternity. Due to the word of God those who do not tithe go to Hell.
These are the commands of the Lord. Are you going to believe God’s word or man’s word?

May Jesus bless you.

If you still have doubts, I urge you to click on the link below.
http://christiscoming777.com/2012/0...e-there-eternal-consequences-for-non-tithing/

since this is the advice forum, i assume you are asking for advice about tithing. Let's look closely at the scriptures you referenced in your post:

Deu 14:22-23 KJV
(22) Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
(23) And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

do you 'eat' your tithe as commanded in the first scripture you referenced?

Mal 3:8 KJV
(8) Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

tithes and offerings are estimated to be somewhere between 30% to 60% of your gross income; is this the standard you refer to?

1Co 6:9-10 KJV
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

there are two ways that you can be righteous before God:

Gal 3:1-10 KJV
(1) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
(2) This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(3) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(4) Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
(5) He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(6) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
(7) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
(8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
(9) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
(10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

1. by the works of the law; and you must be perfect in your obedience to the law (verse 10), else you are cursed
2. by faith (verse 8)

Gal 5:18 KJV
(18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

here we see the difference between the two - if your focus is to obey the law according to your own limited understanding of it in order to 'miss hell', then you are led by your own self, and not by the Spirit, and you are cursed.

"Due to the word of God those who do not tithe go to Hell."

this is only partially correct; you must not only tithe, but meet all points of the law perfectly, if you are so foolish as to think that you can justify yourself before God by your performance to the law:

Jas 2:10 KJV
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2Co 9:7 KJV
(7) Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

if you give in order to miss hell, your giving is of necessity, not according to the leading of the Lord.

here's the advice: stop trying to mix the law of performance with the law of grace through faith; humble yourself by striving to be led by God rather than striving to be perfect in your performance

Eph 2:8-9 KJV
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Willie T]

Tithing is VERY vital.............. to the preacher collecting all the money. It pays his salary.

 

[sscablao]

Who's robbing who?

“Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, ‘In what way have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the LORD of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it. “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” Says the LORD of hosts; “And all nations will call you blessed, For you will be a delightful land,” Says the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 3:8-12 NKJV

In the book of Malachi, Yes, as the verse itself imply, Israel did rob God. For whatever reason they withheld their tithes and offering. But, who were the ones and ordained by God to collect and or receive the tithes during that time? Were they not the levites? If so, are we living under the old covenant or new covenant? In the new covenant it says

“Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.” Hebrews 7:11-13 NKJV

Here, it is evident that the levitical priesthood was replace by Christ Himself and so, the levites rights as ordained by God to collect the tithes was taken out from them. So, by right levitical priesthood are no more and even if they still exist and still assume their priestly minister, its already deemed useless as we Christian believed and or should believed.

I also understand that in 1 Peter 2:9, we are royal priesthood, don't you know that the levitical priest (from the line of Aaron) don't tithe? The levites (the ones that were not priest) to whom were not from the lineage of Aaron receive tithes from the people of Israel and a tenth of it was given to the Aaronic priesthood as the Lord's portion, it was never commanded in the bible that Aaronic priesthood was to give tithe also. If they did, do you have any verse to support the claim?

“Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering. Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress. In this way you also will present an offering to the Lord from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the Lord’s portion to Aaron the priest. You must present as the Lord’s portion the best and holiest part of everything given to you.’” Numbers 18:26-29 NIV

Since we all christian are royal priesthood in essence same as Aaronic priesthood (to which by the way was already replaced by Jesus Christ Himself in the new covenant), don't you think we ought not to give tithes also?

Nevertheless, Jesus is and will be the only priest (no other else) who is in the like of Melchizedek to which no beginning, no end, living eternally. Which means at this very moment, in the near future to come, in eternity in fact, He lives and will live forever. Hence, no man (unless you know someone) in this world who is in the same nature as Jesus Christ that should and is qualified to collect it in behalf of Him. Jesus did not ordained that tithes can or should be collected by pastor/preacher of the word in the new covenant, did He? Is there any verse in the new testament that can support this claim? "Matthew 23:23.....These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone." This verse is not included or any verse whereby Jesus was still on earth because as the bible say:

“For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;” Hebrews 8:4 NKJV

Which means, levitical priesthood before His coming and while He was still on earth were still allowed to function. Hence, tithes and ceremonial offering which the levites can only receive and perform were still needed.

So, whose robbing God now? Is it not considered thieving or robbing if that someone collected something that wasn't his/her right or were not even allowed to collect it? Also, lets not mix up our biblical terminology, biblical tithing is way different from giving, this two are not correlated. The 1st tithing in the bible was similar or like a salary or support to the levites in return for their service concerning the tabernacle and, a tenth of it was given to the Aaronic priest as the Lord's portion which is also claim by the preacher of the word as they say, they are in essence or spiritually levites. The fact, that the levitical priest was replace and, the fact that Jesus will not be able to receive it physically even if we wish to give it, really speaks louder that it is not needed in today's time. But, its not an excuse not to give in fact, if we call ourself a Christian we ought to give, to whom? If we really wish to please God and wish that a curse will not come to us. The verses speaks for itself:

“for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’” Matthew 25:42-45 NKJV“

He who gives to the poor will not lack, But he who hides his eyes will have many curses.”
Proverbs 28:27 NKJV

 

[God all in all]

The CONTEXT of Malachi 3 is the PROOF that tithing is not relevant for christians:

Malachi 3:6 – refers to his audience as „Sons of Jacob“! Christians are not sons of Jacob!
Malachi 4:4 says „Remember the Law of Moses, my servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb (Sinai!) for all Israel.“
The famous tithing verses (chapter 3) are in sandwich between verses that clearly show that tithing is NOT for christians since we are NOT sons of Jacob, nor are we to listen to Moses any more!

Jesus upheld tithing, yes – but it was before His resurrection, it was still thetime of the Law! His message then was that tithing should not be neglected, while the „weightier matters of the Law“ ought to be done. But He came to fulfill the Law (not to abolish it).

Jesus' point was that justice, mercy and faitfhfulness were „weightier“ than tithing in the Law.

But for Jesus, both „weighty“ and „weightier“ matters were equally in the realm of the Law!! The Law He came to fulfill!


Now we are NOT under Law because justice, mercy and faithfulness („weightier“ things of the Law!) were fulfilled by Jesus on the cross once and for all!

My point is:

If God through Jesus accomplished „weightier“ things of the Law (justice, mercy, faithfulness), did He „leave UNDONE“ or „neglect“ things of LESS weight (tithing)?!?!


Also:

Jesus never said that tithing is from the „fathers“ – BUT He says that circumcision IS (John 7:22)! Circumcision is pre-Law!!!! Now, should we get circumcised physically, not because of the Law but to honor Abraham and his covenant with God?!?? Galatians clearly says no. And this is in harmony with the Bible principle that says: prophetic pictures and „shadows“ are gone once the real thing comes! „The real thing“, Jesus Christ, fulfilled them and made them obsolete.

 

[tturt]

If we don't joyfully and with a willing heart give our tithes and offerings, we haven't surrendered every area of our lives to Yahweh.

 

[God all in all]

If we don't joyfully and with a willing heart give our tithes and offerings, we haven't surrendered every area of our lives to Him.

It sounds spiritual, your above statement, but is not biblicaly based. If God required tithes and offerings prior or outside the Law He would have said it plainly in His Word! He only asked for it in the Law! (Probably because He took Jacob for his word, since Jacob solemnly promised to tithe - which he never actually did personally, at least it is not recorded in the Word!) We cannot pick and choose from the Law (tithing for example) neglecting other commands and ordinances, no matter how big or small they are! The Law was one unit! If you broke one tiny little command out of 613 - you blew it all together. But pro-tithers are very fond of tithing because it makes them feel good inside, it gives them a sense of religious pride (hidden and masquareded as "spirituality") because they wrongly believe that they are "obedient to God" if they tithe. Been there, done that! But how can we obey something that is not even given for us to obey? Tithers need revelation of God's Word and His will, and His ways with His children! Abram was not YET born from above when He gave tithe! He didn't have the Holy Spirit abiding in him. He was a pagan who was "law to himself" - like the pagans Paul talks about in Romans 2. Every person on earth has a law inside him or her. But Jesus fulfilled the Law and we are DEAD to it! Love is the Law fulfilled. Tithing has nothing to do with it. It is interesting that Jesus mentions a tither twice - and both times a tither is a proud religious guy.

 

[tturt]

Regarding paying pastors "In the same way, the Lord gave instructions to those who proclaim the gospel that they should get their living from the gospel." I Cor 9:14 (Mounce)

Yeshua said "...‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Yeshua didn't say it'll make you feel good inside or make you a proud religious guy but definitely blessed. The two Scriptures mentioned (Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42). with Yeshua talked about tithing, the end of these Scriptures say "These you ought to have done without neglecting the former." = so don't neglect tithing/offering/giving. But we're not to make a show of giving (Matt 6:1)

Yeshua watched the offering plate and noticed who gave and how much. He also remarked "For they all put in from their abundance, but she from her need has put in everything she had - all she had to live on.” Mark 12:44 Seems like Yeshua would have taken the opportunity to tell His disciples that the poor wouldn't be expected to pay tithes/offerings/giving soon if that was going to be the case. Or do we think He let the poor widow put in everything she had without blessing her.

Yeshua didn't come to abolish or destroy the law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17). Fulfill means believers don't have to follow the civil nor especially the sacrificial laws - not at all. We're to put Him first (Matt 6:33). Because of love for Him, believers should keep the commandments (such as John 14:15). We take up our cross and follow Him daily. This means that we follow/obey/surrender to Yahweh and His Word including our relationships and interactions with others, our emotions, thought life, ambitions, wills, desires, resources (money, time). When Yeshua was here, He did what His Father wanted (John 5:19) and we're to be Christ like (I John 2:6). Seems that alone would prompt us to give because Yeshua gave and He continues to give.

 

[Faithfulandtrue]

We should tithe BUT I don't believe you will go to hell for not tithing. It is not our good works that save us but accepting His free grace.

 

[BFine]

James 1:27
"Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress,
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."

I hear much about robbing God of tithes and offerings...
and too many ministers are all about the money... in the OT
the vast majority of tithes/offerings were about food items: grain, oil, wine, first-born of one's animals(that were without spot/blemish) etc.
More on that here:
1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24).
2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).
3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29).

1 Timothy 5:8
"But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied
the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

I like how GCI puts it:
"People who entrust their lives to Jesus Christ do not worry about whether tithing is commanded in the New Testament. People who are being transformed by Christ to be more like Christ are generous.
They want to give as much as possible to support the gospel and to support the poor.
Christians should give generously — but giving is a result of their relationship with God, not a way to earn it.
We are given grace through faith, not through tithing."


NT giving/offerings/tithing (or whatever you call it.)
2 Corinthians 9:7-9
"Each of you should give what you have decided in
your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion,
for God loves a cheerful giver.
And God is able to make all grace abound to you,
so that always having all sufficiency in everything,
you may have an abundance for every good deed;
as it is written, "HE SCATTERED ABROAD,
HE GAVE TO THE POOR, HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS
ENDURES FOREVER."

Supporting one's church building/ministries etc...
We have homes and know that they too require "support"/
upkeep...the same is true as to where one gathers with other believers.
Many of those places have outreach programs/ministries...
which also require volunteers, material/food items, financial
and prayer support...each believer should diligently pray
about when/where/how they can "support" these programs/ministries where they gather with other Christ-followers.

 

[DarrellChipman]

There are many preachers and men of God who say that we are under no obligation to tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22). But that money is actually given to the Lord. Some will say that we no longer need to tithe because we are under grace, not the law, but tithing is not part of the ceremonial, sacrificial, or temple laws (which have been fulfilled through Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary), but is part of his moral, in which still stands today. True grace does not lead to lawlessness, but unto RIGHTEOUSNESS. Those that truly love the Lord will keep his commands In fact, those who do not tithe are robbing God (Malachi 3:8) and therefore they are thieves. According to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 thieves do not go to heaven, they go to Hell for all eternity. Due to the word of God those who do not tithe go to Hell.
These are the commands of the Lord. Are you going to believe God’s word or man’s word?

May Jesus bless you.

If you still have doubts, I urge you to click on the link below.
http://christiscoming777.com/2012/0...e-there-eternal-consequences-for-non-tithing/

 

[DarrellChipman]

To Matthias. In the first place, we are no longer under the curse of the law, and secondly you are also mistaken because tithing is not in the 10 commandments.
God's blessings to you, and may He lead you into all truths.

 

[GQ Chris]

More often than not corrupt Preachers love scaring and pressuring their congregations into giving him more money.

 

[sscablao]

And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;”Hebrews 7:5 NKJV

For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness," Hebrews 7:18 NKJV

Yes, indeed it was a commandement for the sons of Levi to receive the tithes of the people. But, in the same chapter verse 18, that commandment has been annulled or invalidated meaning, tithing should not be practice anymore because of its weakness and unprofitability. Take note both NKJV and KJV use the word "commandment" implying that the word "commandment" on verse 18 could be or is referring to the commandment as stated in verse 5. Moreover, the word commandment in verse 18 is in a SINGULAR form hence, implying that only one commandment did change and that commandment was mentioned in verse 5. If anyone dispute that the word commandment in verse 18 does not refer to the commandment as referred in verse 5 on the same chapter then, what is that one commandment referred in verse 18 that has been annulled - declared invalid?

Indeed, Jesus did not come to destroy the law but there was change in the law. And, as explain above, it was perhaps one of the changes in the old law as stated in Hebrews 7:12. “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.” Do note that, If I'm not mistaken, the mosaic laws basically contains commandments from the lord. So, when there is a change in the law, it could mean that one or few of the commandments from the lord will not be applicable or will be invalidated. And, since Jesus who became the new priest was not from the line of Levi rather from the line of Judah, all the commandment and laws relating and exclusive to levites became not applicable to the new priest. Hence, Jesus has all the right to impose new law, a law of grace to which ...there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.” Hebrews 7:19 NKJV.

Don't you think so?

See FAQ about tithing.

https://tithetruth.wordpress.com/faq-on-tithing/