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Tips on writing creatively...

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Hi,
I am a new author and I want to commit more time to my book. However I have written in the past and it has been 20 pages. I want an in-depth fantasy book, but I do not know how. Can someone help me?:confused:
 

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I heard one author say that what makes the difference in length of a book is pacing. I think if you're trying to handle a large piece, you should outline your basic plot and where you're going to go. A sort of roadmap before you begin the journey.

You could always do the Robert Jordan method and just be r...e...a...l...y... l...o...n...g... w...i...n...d...e...d.... No! That's a really bad idea! *burns Robert Jordan books* Don't stretch your plot too thin. If you find that it's not turning out that long, don't just add alot of stylistic words to beef it up. What would be better is side plots and deeper characterization. Oh, that reminds me! If you want to write a larger piece, you characters have to be better developed. A shallower character can work wonderfully with a shorter piece, but drown in a novel. Uh, so I think that's it!

You know what, I probably don't have any room to speak on this. I've never written a novel. What am I thinking? Then again, I did have a time when I wrote about twenty pages over a period of two days (and they were during finals too!), but that's about the greatest thing I've acomplished.
 
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lol, that's funny you say that about robert jordan. i've taken to calling his books "the tour of the world". i agree though, being long winded isn't the greatest thing in the world. there's little or no action and nothing happens. starting to drive me crazy... but that's another matter.

i'm with computer dunce. develop your charcters. make them more believable.
 
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I assume writing a fantasy story is like writing any other kind of story (except, of course, being freed from certain aspects like 'believability' and whatnot) in that create interesting characters and make the action flow out from those characters. You can read books on writing (and that might be important for someone to do in the early stages of a project) but the best thing a writer can do is write. Sit down and write. Do it. Don't put it off, don't make excuses. If you do it and it's no good, you've at least done something and it might be something that you can polish, rewrite and make better. It is important to discipline oneself to actually sit down and write instead of just when 'inspiration' comes or when one feels like it.

Some helpful information can be found in Modern Library Writer's Workshop by Stephen Koch. It's a good book for writers of any level to check out.
 
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Well, my advice is going to be contrary to everyone else's. I say be as long-winded as you possibly can. Say what??? That's right, write as much as you can. Your first draft is going to be a learning experience. This is where you get to know your characters. This is where you get to know your setting. This is where the story solidifies in your--the author's--mind.

Plow through that first draft like it's nothing but a journal for your thoughts. Don't worry about correcting it, don't worry about making it perfect. It's not supposed to be perfect. Nobody is supposed to read it but you, so throw down the first thing that pops into your head. It's a sketch on a napkin, nothing more. When you finish with it, you won't have completed a book, you'll have completed a first draft. The more you have to work with, the better off you'll be.

Once you have your first draft complete, then take a red ink pen--because we all know red makes it more official--and start reading your manuscript, making notes in the margins on things to change, scratching out words and phrases and sentences and paragraphs that don't add to the story. Sketch out scenes you'd like to add, personality traits you'd like to endow your characters with--in short, as you read the first draft, think of ways to make the story better. It's at this point that you know how the story ends, there won't be any more surprises. When you've finished marking up your first draft, turn on the computer, sit your manuscript in front of you, and start re-writing the story from scratch, using that marked up first draft as a guide.

You may be asking yourself what this has to do with creativity? The short answer: everything. It's only by putting your ideas to work that you can flesh out your story. It's only after you see everything on paper that you know how it works, how it reads, and how it flows. Remember, this is a learning curve you're embarking on. It takes a lot of work at first, but as you progress, your brain will automatically make all the adjustments it knows how to make on the fly, so the next book will be easier, and the one after that even easier, and so on. But for now, just plow through that first draft as fast as you can. The best advice on writing I ever heard was from Tom Clancy, who said something to the effect of this: no matter how bad you think it is, no matter how awkward or how hard to write, put something down in that first draft, because if the first draft never gets written, the book has no chance of ever being finished.

Throw everything you've got into it and don't look back.
 
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life_boy: amen! the writing habit IS the key. The best stuff comes out when you think it's boring. It's the little details you write about when you don't "feel inspired" that usually reveal the ins and outs of your character. I love being surprised by writing.
 
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If it makes you feel any better, the first draft of my last novel clocked in at 155,000 words. The final draft barely made it to 89,000. That's 42.5% of the mss edited out in the rewriting stages--without loosing any plot points, characters, or vital scenes. It was just general wordiness and/or drawn-out plotlines that got shed, and it ended up making my mss infinately stronger. Now, if only I could get it published... :)
 
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Wow! That's a lot of editing! My story is currently only at 28,917 words. Hehe, and, based by what's in my mind of where it's gonna go and end, I think I'm just reaching the one-fourth mark... but that's not accurate because anything new can come up.

But who knows, I might end up cutting a lot of it anyway.:D
 
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There is some really good advice in here for you Zoralink. Especially what wgjones has said. I would only want to throw out a slight expansion on it. Don't overlook the scribbles on a napkin comment. Don't feel like you need to sit and write/type it all out neatly and in order. Creativity has no absolute structure. Definitely do what life boy said and force yourself to sit down and write, make the structure, fill in the spaces in between the outlines, but then don't be glued to your chair. Carry paper and pen with you as you go about with the other things you have to do. You may be driving, eating, or doing anything and have a great idea, addition, or answer to what you've been writing. I've used a mini-recorder, kept paper and pen in my pocket, left myself phone messages, e-mailed myself, and literally used that napkin before. Even if you end up with nothing but a stack of notes, those notes will translate into the story, and you'll be well on your way to the finish.

Oh, one other thing, take as many breaks as you need from it, but flat refuse to ever quit! :)
 
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wgjones3 said:
If it makes you feel any better. . .

It was just general wordiness and/or drawn-out plotlines that got shed, and it ended up making my mss infinately stronger. Now, if only I could get it published... :)
but if you misspelled a word like that, it's enough to get you published in any writer's mind. :p just kidding. :yum:

how i wish i could write even 2 pages of random thoughts without corrections. then maybe i could write a book about message boards addiction. :sorry:
 
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Hello. This is Daniel Martinez, just wanted to say hi. I see there are a few authors on the board giving some advice, and, I being an author myself, thought I would share some of my own advice. Perhaps a bit about me, so you know I'm not just pulling your leg: I'm nineteen years old and I've been writing for the last five years. In that time, I've written hundreds of lyrics and poems, seventeen or eighteen novels (I forget how many, and I'm currently at work on another one), and two plays. Four of those novels - How God Was Created, Artemis Grant, Paranoid Schizophrenic and Queen of the Undead have been published. (If you want to see them, go to my web site at novelistdanielm.com).

Anyway, enough about me - you want tips on how to write a fantasy novel? Well, that's just about what I specialize in, seeing as how most of my books are fantasies. The advice you've been given is great - especially about writing up the first draft and then marking it up. As well, you've been given a lot of advice telling you that you should outline your plot and define your chracters and blah blah blah.

Well, in my opinion, all of that is a good bunch of advice, but not worth much - because, in all honesty, if I plan out a book - if I write down any part of any idea, or try to develop an idea by outlining it or figuring out what's going to happen next - then everything about that idea just shrivels up and dies. Especially a fantasy book, or any other type of fictitious novel, for that matter. Non-fiction is understandable; you have to make sure everything is correct and accurate. That you've got all your facts straight. But not with fiction.

When I get an idea for a fiction, I see a scene in my head. There's a background, a foreground, and just a whole mental picture. Generally there will be people, or some type of intelligent entity, and I meet them as I write their story - they are my characters.

Sometimes I begin with how the place looks, and sometimes I begin with why the character is there. Sometimes just how the character looks, or why the character looks the way he does look. Then I go from there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if you're going to write a piece of fiction, try not to plan it out too much - it's not real, and if you try to make it real through any kind of cenventional methods, you'll more than likely make the idea die. Take a look at what occurs to you - what scene you see in your head. Write it down, and go from there. And don't worry about length. Don't worry at all about how long it is - only about the story. If you're thinking of trying to sell the story, and that's why you're trying to write a long piece, then you shouldn't even continue, because profit is the wrong motivating factor: You must love the written word, whether or not you completely understand and/or trust it. And you must want to write for the sheer pleasure of writing, for the serenity or peacefulness or whatever that it gives you. Don't let people fool you into thinking that, as you write, you must do this and you must do that - because in all honesty, all that you must do when it comes to art is what *you* feel you must do. Don't worry about the wording, and don't worry about whether or not your point is going to come across to the reader - if you're new to writing, it probably won't, and if you've been doing it for a while, you will have learned that all of that - plot and story development, word-changing, character development, whatever - all come during the editing process anyway.

Hope this helps.

- Daniel Martinez, Novelist
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hi, daniel. I visited your site and boy, you look like one of those cute Hollywood teenies, ha. kidding aside, I’m amazed to see a very young novelist of your age, prolific at that. You must be some kind of a genius, hey, praised God for that! :clap: maybe i will start training my niece to become like you! :) she's only 7 years old going 8 this 30th and she likes to read books.

I enjoyed reading your tips here, I wish I could also enjoy your masterpieces, especially the first one about God being beautifully created. Then i would share it to my niece and nephews so they'll be inspired also to write something about God when they Grow up. i think that's most important, to get your loved ones closer to God. I’m not a writer but I aspire to be one in the big screen. :D well, only God can get me there. i won't lose hope.

continue with your mission of spreading the beauty and greatness of God and His creations like you. your parents must have been very proud of you.
 
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jessaliyah said:
but if you misspelled a word like that, it's enough to get you published in any writer's mind. :p just kidding. :yum:

That's why I spend so much time in the revision and editing stages instead of assuming that the first draft is ready for publication.
 
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