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Hi Randy,Daniel portrays 4 empires that appear in succession--not all at the same time. They may coexist as kingdoms, but not as empires. An empire contains a number of kingdoms enabling it to dominate an entire region. One cannot have more than a single empire in the same general vicinity.
History records the 1st Kingdom in Daniel's time was Babylon, followed by a joint power, Medo-Persia. Then came Greece with its 4 successors in Hellenistic rule. And finally, Rome conquered the entire region with greater might than the 3 previous powers.
What is significant about this is the fact that the last empire, Rome, is the one that crucified Christ and killed many of his apostles and followers. It is also the nation which received the Kingdom of God after Israel lost it. Rome became the next great home of God's People, the Holy Roman Empire.
Finally, Rome extends, like legs (Dan 2), in bilateral form, Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire, to form modern Europe in Eastern and Western sections. The Eastern section is largely populated by Slavic peoples, and the Western section is largely populated by Germanic peoples.
This is all true to form and in accordance with how Daniel portrayed it in Dan 2 and 7. The Christianization of the heir to the Holy Roman Empire, Christian Europe, will also be the place where Antichrist is spawned. Where best to spawn satanic attack on Christianity than in the home of Christianity in the world, ie Europe?
What I find particularly interesting is that some of the faces of these 4 beasts is seen in Ezekiel's cherubim, including the lion and the eagle. I think these cherubim refer to angels that oppose Babylon (Dan 7.4). The bear and the leopard are missing, and an ox and the face of a man are added. I'm not sure why? The leopard reappears in association with the Antichristian Empire in Rev 13.2.
In Rev 4 we see the cherubim with lion, ox, man, and eagle. I have a hard time identifying these angels and their purpose, but it is obviously to counter the impact of these worldly empires that appear in history. I'm really praying to understand the significance of these angels, as they help us to counter Satan's attack upon God's People in this world.
I will add this: I think the "bear" is ancient Persia, which as a pagan empire was represented by a wild animal. However, in the book of Revelation we have an "ox" evidencing a domestic animal, perhaps indicating the Christianization of Europe and the world. The face of a "man" represents Christ, both before his coming and after his earthly appearance.
Certainly, many of the players you mention do fit in the prophetic scenario. Which symbols refer to which I'm not so sure about, either your view or mine? We'll keep asking God to help... Thanks!Hi Randy,
The empires of Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece & Rome all followed each other and did not rule at the same time. They were world rulers. The four beasts of Dan. 7 however, are just great powers and they arise one at a time but continue on contemporaneously (at the same time). They are in the time when God sets up His rulership through Israel. (Dan. 7: 27)
Now that is an interesting observation as to the ` 4 faces of the four beasts in Ezekiel and Revelation - lion, ox, man & eagle. The different characteristics lend themselves to being good symbols. I agree with some of your thoughts.
Christ`s ministries are described as the - lion, (king) ox, (sacrifice) man, (son of Man) & eagle, (sovereign).
For man however, the symbols of - lion & eagle`s wings, is Monarchy, (Great Britain & America) bear, (ferocious, Russia) leopard, (EU), terrifying, (Islam)
Why does 'banking on the rapture' make one more susceptible to worship the antichrist than one not 'banking on the rapture'??Those banking on the rapture, will worship antichrist near future and have spot in hell. Documentation, psalm chapter 9 .
Hi Douggg,@Marilyn C
Marilyn, who was the super-power at the time when the counting of the 70 weeks was put on suspension - pending reactivation when the 7 years begin again ?
The same super-power will be the one when 7 years begin.... following the Gog/Magog event.
However, Marilyn, Hitler named his empire the "3rd Reich" for a reason. The Byzantine Empire in the East perpetuated the "Roman Empire" in the form of the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire. When Rome fell in 457 AD, Rome was resurrected in the Holy Roman Empire.Hi Douggg,
God judged the government of Rome long ago.
Hi Randy,However, Marilyn, Hitler named his empire the "3rd Reich" for a reason. The Byzantine Empire in the East perpetuated the "Roman Empire" in the form of the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire. When Rome fell in 457 AD, Rome was resurrected in the Holy Roman Empire.
It is only relatively recently in history that the remnant of this Empire went away, namely the Austrian Empire, and its successor, the Austria-Hungary Empire. The Russian Empire, with its successor, the Soviet Union, continued the tradition of empire in the East. Putin is trying to revive the imperial tradition in Europe, but I don't know if he will succeed?
Something to keep in mind. The breakup of imperialism in traditional Roman territory, or Europe, is precisely what Daniel anticipated.
The seven kings of Revelation 17...Hi Douggg,
God judged the government of Rome long ago.
There is NO scripture that reveals the RRE or EU as having the 7 kings.The seven kings of Revelation 17...
five fallen:
Julius Caesar
Augustus Caesar
Tiberiis
Caligula
Caludius
One is:
Nero
the other not ye come:
end times little horn - leader of a pact of ten EU leaders
when he comes, he must continue a short space - 42 months:
beast king - dictator of the EU
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For the seven years, the person will be...
the Antichrist (King of Israel) first half of the 7 years.
confirms the Mt Sinai covenant speech to begin the 7 years
the beast king (dictator of the EU) second half of the 7 years.
statue image made of him, placed on the temple mount the abomination of desolation
I would not call it "revived" Roman Empire, Marilyn. But simply Roman Empire.There is NO scripture that reveals the RRE or EU as having the 7 kings.
And which is more terrifying - the EU or Islam?
Remember God judged the government of Rome and it is no more.I would not call it "revived" Roman Empire, Marilyn. But simply Roman Empire.
In a military conflict, the EU would decimate Islam.
The EU at the time of the beast, when the whole world will be worshiping the beast and his image, having rejected Jesus and considering God their enemy - the EU will be terrifying.
The 4th Beast of Dan 7 has the capacity for terror, and trampled nations down when it initially became a great empire. The heir to this bi-partite imperial power is equally capable of terror, even if it is not still terrorizing other countries in the same way. It has spawned the greatest colonial aggression the world has ever known, and it has created 2 world wars. And it isn't finished, if I'm right that it will become the seat of the Antichrist, who will then dominate the world.Remember God judged the government of Rome and it is no more.
Also, remember that Islam is throughout the world. Do you see all the protests? Have you seen all the horror Islam has done over the past few years - Nigeria, Sudan, Congo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel etc They are terrifying.
The EU is not terrifying and does not even have an army. Individual countries in the EU have an army, but they do not like to go to war. Where have you seen them at war?