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From your links:

The cylinder must be infinitely long,

So that is not a solution that is meant to be considered for reality. This rules out the first link.

The second link is conjecture by a grad student and there is no evidence it has any basis in reality.

The third link also refers to an infinitely long cylinder, and can therefore be discounted.

Therefore when I said, about traveling backwards in time, "There is no exception to that rule currently, and it is unlikely we'll find one," I was correct. I could propose an infinite number of physically impossible scenarios that violate this rule, but they would have no more or less meaning than your conjecture, since none of them can be shown to have any physical realism either.
 
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Is time travel possible?
I've thought about this for a long time. Part of me says, "Yes." But the other part of me says, "No." Because time is not tangible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Google the paperback book titled "The Philadelphia Experiment" about the gov experiment in 1943 with making a ship disappear by fluxing the EMF, creating the "Bermuda Triangle effect" around the USS Eldridge. The movie by the title "The Philadelphia Experiment" is about the same experiment but spiced up for entertainment purposes with non facts. ...........................................................................Creating a time/space warphole is easier than controlling when and where the warphole leads to. The Unified Field theory allows various possibilities for creating a wormhole, theoretically. Exceeding the speed of light is one, creating a super gravity field would be another, or creating a monopole electric field by fluxing the geomagnetic/EMF is another. ...........................................................................I'm not an expert on causing the BT effect, but I know a geo-physicist who claimed resonant frequencies are used by gov in experiments. He has a scar he claims he got from leaning on an auto during a BT effect, and because of the different electro-static fields of metal and living things transitioning at different speeds in the BT effect. ............................................................................His hip was slightly meshed with the metal when the BT effect was shut down, same as the sailors of the Philadelphia experiment caught in the deck, or the one whose hand was caught by leaning on the metal. ..............................................................................He told me of his experience in the twilight zone of the BT effect. He saw others there, but was unable to help them out his hole because he could not touch them, for they were from a different time/space. He saw one guy running through the zone, hoping to find a way out. The warp dimension will release all that has been caught up in it when the natural electro-magnetic field of earth reverses polarity, he says. "And the sea gave up the dead that WERE IN IT"-Revelation 20:13. ............................................................................"The Complete Books of Charles Fort" has much documentation of reports of things like fish raining from the sky, or ice, or many other things. He documented a Spanish soldier on guard at Mexico city square in 1873, I believe, who vanished, and instantly found himself in the Phillipines, and was arrested. By ship it took months to verify his story of vanishing from guard duty, transferred thousands of miles in an instant. .............................................................................Fort gathered historic reports ancient and modern about any anomalies, many explainable by the BT effect. www.forteantimes.com .............................................................................Revelation 9 speaks of a "bottomless pit" opened. A hole without a singularity fits the bottomless pit description. .............................................................................The famous March 13, 1997 Phoenix ufo incident video looks like the ufo is slowly coming from another dimension(s) into view. .............................................................................The expired tv series "PSI Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal" claimed to be all based on true case files of the Office of Scientific Investigation & Research. Refer to psiberific.com/OSIR and psifactor.tvheaven.com. .............................................................................The investigations often dealt with the BT effect. To study the effect, study the ephisodes of PSI Factor. Note; OSIRonline.org is NOT the same OSIR as the show, but the ORGANIZATION of Scientific Ivestigation & Research, (not OFFICE of S.I.R.). The real OSIR operates at behest of govs only, but can be reached via the mailing address provided at www.psiberific.com/OSIR. .............................................................................. PSI Factor reveals that time travel tech already exists that can go backwards & forward in time, (but in the same place on earth because it uses the earths' EMF). The naturally occurring warps are out of control as to where the hole leads or leaves you. .............................................................................In 1992 was a freak electro-magnetic storm in north Seattle, with boltless lightning flashes of red and green, and a mighty wind. I called Doc Okerlund for explanation as it was occurring. He explained that when something comes or goes from the hole, there is a static electrical discharge resulting in the colored lightning, and the mighty wind was because of the difference in air pressure at the other end of the warp. .............................................................................Hours later, local news reported about an Icelandic reindeer running loose through north Seattle, and asked public help in tracking it. When they caught it, they scraped dirt from between its' hooves and verified that it was from Iceland in fact, and no such animal was missing in the USA. No way of knowing if it was from the same time and different place, or from another time in Iceland. ............................................................................."one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"-2 Peter 3:8. That explains how the Lord can be at the beginning and end, and born in between...time travel! The mighty angels of 2 Thessalonians 1:7 assist with time travel tech, I presume. ............................................................................."The Philadelphia Experiment" movie showed a warphole they had trouble shutting down, so it grew in intensity, causing an air coil sucking in storm systems in the vicinity, and a steady whirlwind at the center. See Jeremiah 30:23-24 & 25:32 & 23:19-20. .............................................................................It's hard to say for sure that a wormhole can grow into a black hole with only the earth as a starting point, but in the movie, it grew enough to sweep away matter in the wind. These verses deal with black hole phenomena, apparently; Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 6:14 & 9:1-2 & 20:1-3, Luke 21:33 & 21:26. .............................................................................I consider the verses about the "new heavens and new earth" in Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22, and 2 Peter 3:13, and Rev 21:1, to be referring to this same sky and earth after travelling back in time to the beginning, from the end. Yes, time travel is theoretically possible now, and some evidence suggests it is being worked at, and may even cause the predictions to be fulfilled that are black hole related, if there's an accident with the experimenting trying to master the BT effect. .............................................................................Our galaxy revolves around a bunch of black holes near the center, that can conceivably collide and merge with unknown effects on the galaxy. http://paranormal.about.com issues e-mail stories that include people caught in wierd time anomalies, if you're interested.
 
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Locrian said:
From your links:



So that is not a solution that is meant to be considered for reality. This rules out the first link.

The second link is conjecture by a grad student and there is no evidence it has any basis in reality.

The third link also refers to an infinitely long cylinder, and can therefore be discounted.

Therefore when I said, about traveling backwards in time, "There is no exception to that rule currently, and it is unlikely we'll find one," I was correct. I could propose an infinite number of physically impossible scenarios that violate this rule, but they would have no more or less meaning than your conjecture, since none of them can be shown to have any physical realism either.
What you said was it needed a brand new physical hypothesis. Unlikely material formations are not a new physical property (as an aside it probably wouldn't need to be infinitely, long, merely as long as the universe). Using our existing laws, time travel does not violate the laws of physics. Therefore, unless new laws are discovered, it is possible.

You're saying that the Carnot cycle is meaningless because we cannot ever build one. It's not. Its existance proves a theory. Similarly the existance of the cylinder equations proves a theory - even if the cylinder itself can't work.
 
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Similarly the existance of the cylinder equations proves a theory - even if the cylinder itself can't work.

No it doesn't. To be meaningful the mathematics have to represent real objects. An infinitely long cylinder is not a real object. Therefore the math does not represent any meaningful physical reality and I was correct in my statement.
 
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Traveling faster than the speed of light won't make you travel backward in time, but it will make you travel slower through time.

So, if you are traveling at the speed of light, one second for you might be 80 years to me on earth.

Time is a dimension (like length, width, height). So, if we can manipulate the width or height of something, we certainly should be able to manipulate time.

Whether we can go "back in time" is another story. I don't know if we could be able to do that.
 
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John16:2 said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Google the paperback book titled "The Philadelphia Experiment" about the gov experiment in 1943 with making a ship disappear by fluxing the EMF, creating the "Bermuda Triangle effect" around the USS Eldridge. The movie by the title "The Philadelphia Experiment" is about the same experiment but spiced up for entertainment purposes with non facts. ...........................................................................Creating a time/space warphole is easier than controlling when and where the warphole leads to. The Unified Field theory allows various possibilities for creating a wormhole, theoretically. Exceeding the speed of light is one, creating a super gravity field would be another, or creating a monopole electric field by fluxing the geomagnetic/EMF is another. ...........................................................................I'm not an expert on causing the BT effect, but I know a geo-physicist who claimed resonant frequencies are used by gov in experiments. He has a scar he claims he got from leaning on an auto during a BT effect, and because of the different electro-static fields of metal and living things transitioning at different speeds in the BT effect. ............................................................................His hip was slightly meshed with the metal when the BT effect was shut down, same as the sailors of the Philadelphia experiment caught in the deck, or the one whose hand was caught by leaning on the metal. ..............................................................................He told me of his experience in the twilight zone of the BT effect. He saw others there, but was unable to help them out his hole because he could not touch them, for they were from a different time/space. He saw one guy running through the zone, hoping to find a way out. The warp dimension will release all that has been caught up in it when the natural electro-magnetic field of earth reverses polarity, he says. "And the sea gave up the dead that WERE IN IT"-Revelation 20:13. ............................................................................"The Complete Books of Charles Fort" has much documentation of reports of things like fish raining from the sky, or ice, or many other things. He documented a Spanish soldier on guard at Mexico city square in 1873, I believe, who vanished, and instantly found himself in the Phillipines, and was arrested. By ship it took months to verify his story of vanishing from guard duty, transferred thousands of miles in an instant. .............................................................................Fort gathered historic reports ancient and modern about any anomalies, many explainable by the BT effect. www.forteantimes.com .............................................................................Revelation 9 speaks of a "bottomless pit" opened. A hole without a singularity fits the bottomless pit description. .............................................................................The famous March 13, 1997 Phoenix ufo incident video looks like the ufo is slowly coming from another dimension(s) into view. .............................................................................The expired tv series "PSI Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal" claimed to be all based on true case files of the Office of Scientific Investigation & Research. Refer to psiberific.com/OSIR and psifactor.tvheaven.com. .............................................................................The investigations often dealt with the BT effect. To study the effect, study the ephisodes of PSI Factor. Note; OSIRonline.org is NOT the same OSIR as the show, but the ORGANIZATION of Scientific Ivestigation & Research, (not OFFICE of S.I.R.). The real OSIR operates at behest of govs only, but can be reached via the mailing address provided at www.psiberific.com/OSIR. .............................................................................. PSI Factor reveals that time travel tech already exists that can go backwards & forward in time, (but in the same place on earth because it uses the earths' EMF). The naturally occurring warps are out of control as to where the hole leads or leaves you. .............................................................................In 1992 was a freak electro-magnetic storm in north Seattle, with boltless lightning flashes of red and green, and a mighty wind. I called Doc Okerlund for explanation as it was occurring. He explained that when something comes or goes from the hole, there is a static electrical discharge resulting in the colored lightning, and the mighty wind was because of the difference in air pressure at the other end of the warp. .............................................................................Hours later, local news reported about an Icelandic reindeer running loose through north Seattle, and asked public help in tracking it. When they caught it, they scraped dirt from between its' hooves and verified that it was from Iceland in fact, and no such animal was missing in the USA. No way of knowing if it was from the same time and different place, or from another time in Iceland. ............................................................................."one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"-2 Peter 3:8. That explains how the Lord can be at the beginning and end, and born in between...time travel! The mighty angels of 2 Thessalonians 1:7 assist with time travel tech, I presume. ............................................................................."The Philadelphia Experiment" movie showed a warphole they had trouble shutting down, so it grew in intensity, causing an air coil sucking in storm systems in the vicinity, and a steady whirlwind at the center. See Jeremiah 30:23-24 & 25:32 & 23:19-20. .............................................................................It's hard to say for sure that a wormhole can grow into a black hole with only the earth as a starting point, but in the movie, it grew enough to sweep away matter in the wind. These verses deal with black hole phenomena, apparently; Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 6:14 & 9:1-2 & 20:1-3, Luke 21:33 & 21:26. .............................................................................I consider the verses about the "new heavens and new earth" in Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22, and 2 Peter 3:13, and Rev 21:1, to be referring to this same sky and earth after travelling back in time to the beginning, from the end. Yes, time travel is theoretically possible now, and some evidence suggests it is being worked at, and may even cause the predictions to be fulfilled that are black hole related, if there's an accident with the experimenting trying to master the BT effect. .............................................................................Our galaxy revolves around a bunch of black holes near the center, that can conceivably collide and merge with unknown effects on the galaxy. http://paranormal.about.com issues e-mail stories that include people caught in wierd time anomalies, if you're interested.
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"one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"-2 Peter 3:8.

"that there should be time no longer"-Rev 10:6.

"and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit"-Rev 9:1.

"Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him"-Hebrews 11:5.

"such a one caught up unto the third heaven"-2 Corinthians 12:2.

The "windows of heaven" being opened is in Malachi 3:10, and 2 Kings 7:19-KJV or 4 Kings 7:19 in other versions.

"His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his CIRCUIT unto the ends thereof: and ther is nothing hid from the heat thereof"-Psalm 19:6-KJV or Psalm 18:7 other versions.

The whirlwind from which the Lord spoke to Job may've been the aircoil of a hole, as depicted in the movie "Philadelphia Experiment". And the blur that Job was spoken to from in Job 4:15-16 also made his hair stand (goose bumps), which possibly indicates an electric field association to the phenomena.

Interdimensionality is another factor to consider as a means of time travel, and the Bermuda Triangle Effect warps. Gov already has created artificial warps, but controlling warps is far more complex.
 
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Yay you found the enter key!

Seriously though, those dots don't work on ANY screen resolution on a normal computer screen. I think perhaps you might consider reading the manual again to figure out how to put in spaces with your TV-computer...

And why, for the love of mashed potatoes, are you so quick to believe anything that sounds like a good conspiracy theory on the internet? The US government isn't supressing worldwide scientific advances from half a century ago! The internet has really been great for spreading trash like this as it allows people to claim whatever they like without supporting anything. Try that in the real world, and you're lucky if you're ONLY laughed at!
 
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billwald said:
Maybe "time" is only something that clocks measure and has no basis in reality.

Sleeping is sort of like time travel.

There is no such thing as the present except as a problem of limits. (how thin is the slice of time we call the present?)

Time is a constant dimension... like length, width, and height.

It's the fourth dimension.

It has a basis in reality.

I understand your theory about the idea of "the present", but time is real.
 
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