Time, times half time of Daniel = 3500 years! Millenium about to BEGIN!

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

Beginning of time, times, and half a time:

Daniel 11

1Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede (539 BC-486BC), even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. 2And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

End of the time, times, and half a time:

Daniel 12:2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

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6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;

From 486BC to the end of the millenium when there is a resurrection of the just/unjust is 3500 years.

This means we are are currently in year 2497...as long as record keeping is accurate - with a millenial reign of Christ + 3 years to go until the resurrection of the just/unjust at GWT judgment.

Interesting how it's divided, isn't it...
Time = millenial reign - 1000 years
Times = times of the gentiles/Christian age - 2000 years
Half a time = From end of Darius' reign until, presumably Christ.

ivebeenshown · Aug 13, 2010

The 'time, times, and half a time' is the time the great beast with ten horns is given authority.

Daniel 7:
24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

ivebeenshown said:
The 'time, times, and half a time' is the time the great beast with ten horns is given authority.

Daniel 7:
24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Certainly! We know from Revelation that the devil is given 42 months which is 3 1/2 years which can be spoken of as time, times, dividing of times!

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

I am referring to the fact that from the rise of three more kings in Persia after Darius until the resurrection of the unjust/just at the end of the millenium is 3500 years, also could be considered time, times, half a time!

NightHawkeye · Aug 13, 2010

HisdaughterJen said:
This means we are are currently in year 2497...as long as record keeping is accurate - with a millenial reign of Christ + 3 years to go until the resurrection of the just/unjust at GWT judgment.

So, we're talking roughly 2013 for Christ's return and beginning of millennial kingdom?

Or am I misunderstanding?

ivebeenshown · Aug 13, 2010

Jen, a year in the Jewish calendar was 360 days. If we do the math, 2500 x 360 is 900,000. When you divide it by 365.25 to match up to solar years, you get 2464 years.

This puts us at 1978AD.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

ivebeenshown said:
Jen, you have made a critical error anyhow: the first year of Darius the Mede was 539BC. By your faulty observations, 2500 years would place us at 1961 or thereabouts.

Whose faulty observations, ivebeenshown????

LOOK:

It isn't from the first year of Darius the Mede that the count begins. The angel said:

Beginning of time, times, and half a time:

Daniel 11

1Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede (539 BC-486BC), even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. 2And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

The beginning of the time,times,half time is when the first of three more kings stands up in Persia!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore, AFTER Darius the Mede.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

NightHawkeye said:
So, we're talking roughly 2013 for Christ's return and beginning of millennial kingdom?

Or am I misunderstanding?

If I'm actually seeing what I'm seeing, then YEAH!...roughly 2013!

I've been talking to God about it and with everything that's going on in the world, it seems right. I mean, given the whole new world order stuff and the bizarre take-over of the freakish anti-christian people and the 2014-2015 feast moons...other stuff is going on too... I'm having experiences that are a God thing... something is up!

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

ivebeenshown said:
Jen, a year in the Jewish calendar was 360 days. If we do the math, 2500 x 360 is 900,000. When you divide it by 365.25 to match up to solar years, you get 2464 years.

This puts us at 1978AD.

Did you account for their "leap" years to make up the difference? I mean every few years they add another month to make up the difference.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

Also, technically, we don't know what year it is. The Ethiopian church kept their own count apart from the Catholic Church and they celebrated Y2K since the birth of Christ in 2007 so the two counts are 7 years apart. If the Ethiopian count is correct and it's been 2003 years since the birth of Christ, then we are ten years from the millenium, if the 500 year mark is to His birth. (2003 +486 +1 for year "0" = 2490) If the Catholic Church count is correct, then we are within three years of the millenium (2010 + 486 +1 for year "0" = 2497)

We also don't know if the count is to his birth, his death, his baptism, his barmitzvah....

All we know is the beginning, the end and in retrospect where the divisions of the time, times, and half time are...meaning the time is the millenium, the times is the gentile/church age, and half time is to Christ. But I wanna know....

ivebeenshown · Aug 13, 2010

Ok Jen, you caught me before I edited my post. Haha.

My point stands that the vision in which the man asks across the river is a parallel to Daniel asking the angel. The same question is being asked, the same answer is being given.

I must say, I don't know of any other verse in the bible that could justify the 'time, times, and half a time' being anything other than 42 months or 1,260 days.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

ivebeenshown said:
Ok Jen, you caught me before I edited my post. Haha.

My point stands that the vision in which the man asks across the river is a parallel to Daniel asking the angel. The same question is being asked, the same answer is being given.

I must say, I don't know of any other verse in the bible that could justify the 'time, times, and half a time' being anything other than 42 months or 1,260 days.

You are not keeping your mind open. Who said that the time, times and half a time refer to only one thing? They could refer to both.

We know the devil has only 42 months which is a time, times, and half a time if a time is a year.

We know that there is 3500 years between the rise of the king after Darius to the resurrection at the end of the millenium. Therefore, in this instance, a time is 1000 years.

We know that Israel is revived after 2000 years, restored on 3rd day. (Hosea 6)

We know it's been roughly 2000 years since Christ....depending on if the count is birth, baptism, death.

We know Israel has been desolated since Christ died (roughly 1984 years ago)...and certainly since God sent the Roman armies 1944 years ago.

We know that Israel was "reborn" as a nation-state in 1947-1948, which is 62-63 years ago, in fulfillment of prophecy that they would return and be secure in their statehood in time for gog to devise it's evil scheme against them.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

If we want to get super-technical, and trust man's dating, then 500 years from 486BC is 13AD. (486 + 1 for "0" year = 487 and 487 is just shy of 500 by 13 years.)

So, what happened in 13AD involving Christ?

ivebeenshown · Aug 13, 2010

Hmmm... Jen, you raise a very valid point. We don't know the exact year it is right now. I am firm in my belief that there is a seven-year period at the end, but that can still fit with your 3500 year idea shown this thread.

Even 2 Peter 3 and Hosea can fit this 3500 year idea together with my future 70th week belief: because the first two days could be like a thousand years, and the Lord's day (Christ's reign on this earth) could be a thousand years like a day.

I have thought for some time now we are near the end of the world, and your idea even lines up to the rough astrological ages like I have noticed in the past.

EDIT: Hmmm the vision begins in Daniel 10, where he says in the 3rd year of Cyrus.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

ivebeenshown said:
Hmmm... Jen, you raise a very valid point. We don't know the exact year it is right now. I am firm in my belief that there is a seven-year period at the end, but that can still fit with your 3500 year idea shown this thread.

Even 2 Peter 3 and Hosea can fit this 3500 year idea together with my future 70th week belief: because the first two days could be like a thousand years, and the Lord's day (Christ's reign on this earth) could be a thousand years like a day.

I have thought for some time now we are near the end of the world, and your idea even lines up to the rough astrological ages like I have noticed in the past.

It's not my idea, it's God's. He put it there for everyone to see. What tipped me off was the resurrection of the unjust to "shame and everlasting contempt". I knew that didn't happen until after the millenium, Scripturally. And, of course, our discussion forced me to really look at it...at exactly what was being said in Daniel 10-12.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

If we want to get super-technical, and trust man's dating, then 500 years from 486BC is 13AD. (486 + 1 for "0" year = 487 and 487 is just shy of 500 by 13 years.)

So, what happened in 13AD involving Christ?

Look at what would've happened around 13AD:

Luke 2:40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
41Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

Therefore 2000 years beyond 13 is 2013. At the time of Passover, Jesus would have been 12 1/2 if he was born in September, Year "0". Could it be that the gentile times will end in 2013 and the new millenium will begin? We'll have to wait and see I suppose!

Is the year really 2010 or is it 2003? Whose count it accurate?

2013 would be 65-66 years after Israel becoming a nation again...could it be that they will be fully restored by the end of 70 years?

HisdaughterJen · Aug 13, 2010

I think that given the 70 year idea from Jeremiah, Israel will be fully restored back to God by the end of 70 years since the prophecy about them being born in a day happened. (Nov 29, 1947 or May 14, 1948)

That means that the current calculation that it is currently the year 2010 would have to be correct. It also means that the end of 2013 is the end of 2000 gentile times years... and the new millenium can begin.

That means that before Nov 29, 2017 or May 14, 2018, the new millenium will have been in progress for at least 1335 days or more.

Obviously, this is all mainly speculative based on educated assumptions but fascinating, nonetheless.

Husky7 · Aug 14, 2010

HisdaughterJen said:
Beginning of time, times, and half a time:

Daniel 11

1Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede (539 BC-486BC), even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. 2And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

End of the time, times, and half a time:

Daniel 12:2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

...
6And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;

From 486BC to the end of the millenium when there is a resurrection of the just/unjust is 3500 years.

This means we are are currently in year 2497...as long as record keeping is accurate - with a millenial reign of Christ + 3 years to go until the resurrection of the just/unjust at GWT judgment.

Interesting how it's divided, isn't it...
Time = millenial reign - 1000 years
Times = times of the gentiles/Christian age - 2000 years
Half a time = From end of Darius' reign until, presumably Christ.

The 42 months=1260 days, however we must use the day for a year principle found in Ezekiel and Numbers:

Ezekiel 4:6, " And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."

Numbers 14:34, "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."

The 1260 days or 42 months is actually 1260 years. This number is the number of years which the Antichrist will reign until it recieves a deadly wound. These verses confirm this fact:
Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
Revelation 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
Revelation 13:5, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."
Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death..."
Revelation 13:10, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."

Also, I don't understand where you got the number 3500 years...

HisdaughterJen · Aug 14, 2010

Husky7 said:
The 42 months=1260 days, however we must use the day for a year principle found in Ezekiel and Numbers:

Ezekiel 4:6, " And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."

Numbers 14:34, "After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise."

The 1260 days or 42 months is actually 1260 years. This number is the number of years which the Antichrist will reign until it recieves a deadly wound. These verses confirm this fact:
Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
Revelation 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
Revelation 13:5, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."
Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death..."
Revelation 13:10, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."

Also, I don't understand where you got the number 3500 years...

The angel in Daniel 12 (Gabriel) is describing a resurrection of the good AND the bad to face judgment. That happens at the end of the millenium, according to Rev 20. Therefore, the events described by Gabriel that Gabriel said began with the king after Darius the Mede and that Gabriel said ends with the GWT judgment, that Gabriel said takes a time, times, and half a time until finished is, in fact, 3500 years.

This is FACT. The angel said it.

It's got nothing to do with the anti-christ. Yes, the anti-christ has 42 months, ALSO referred to as time, times, half time elsewhere in scripture. One has nothing to do with the other.

zeke37 · Aug 14, 2010

lol...

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

HisdaughterJen · Aug 14, 2010

zeke37 said:
lol...

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Have I selected a DAY or HOUR, Zeke? NO!

I've just shown that the angel said at the end of the time, times, and half a time is a resurrection and judgment of the good AND the evil.
I've just shown that the angel said the beginning of that time, times, and half a time is the king after Darius the Mede.
I've just shown that the angel said it would be a time, times, and half a time until all these things are finished.

That is 3500 years because the king after Darius the Mede was in 486BC and the resurrection and judgment of the good AND the bad is after the millenium!

Therefore, we stand at about/roughly 3 years from the start of the millenium because it's been 2497 years since the rise of the King after Darius the Mede!

Time, times half time of Daniel = 3500 years! Millenium about to BEGIN!

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