Time Relative Creationism?

[hiwaystar]

Hello Faithful Pilgrim,

It was Albert Einstein who discovered Time Dilation. His 'Theory of Relativity' is about Time Dilation. I see Time Dilation as God's great Creation tool. God's great desire in Creation is focused on, love for God capable, man. Obviously God knew His ‘Let There Be Light’ ‘Big Bang’ was going to need some time to cool and spread out, before He inserted earth into it. God wanted to create Adam in a weeks time. God wanted to Adam to see the stars. Even traveling at the speed of light, light needs time to hit earth from the stars. Even now, thousands of years after Adam, we would only be beginning to see a couple of stars, if it was not for God using Time Dilation at Creation.


Using Time Dilation, we have an earth that was created before everything else in the universe, yet it appears much younger. This is because far less time has elapsed on earth compared to the rest of the Universe, this is Time Dilation. God actually slowed elapsing physical time down to just a couple days on earth, while speeding up the rest of the cosmos which was elapsing time in the billions of years, during the same period; this is Time Dilation. Time Dilation still exists today, our GPS satellites have on board computers to compensate for it. Our astronauts come back to earth younger than their counterparts on earth. Time Dilation certainly is God’s great Creation tool for creating 14 billion years of star formation in four days of Creation.

Amen. This really strikes some feelings in my heart. God loves us so much that He created an entire freaking universe...hundreds of billions of galaxies containing hundreds of billions of stars...just for us to watch and enjoy!!!

I've seen nihilists claiming the opposite--that life is worthless because the scale of the universe. I can't feel more sorry for them! Imagine for a moment that someone bought you a gift that's hundreds of billions of time larger than your house. That's EXACTLY the case--the scale of the universe proves how worthy we are!!!

 

[Piet Strydom]

I was away for few months, and was fortunate to have investigated into Time dilation.
However, I will not discuss this now.
First, the Bible is very clear that there was a period of creation where time did not exist. It says, in the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth. The Creator then tells us that Liquid, Gas and solids collected and formed a sphere that would result in turning around an axis. This is confirmed on when God says that when light first shined on this earth, time started to count down.
In other words, God created the Universe before he made the Sun to radiate with light.
Now, we need an Earth and a Sun to measure time, dont we?
So, the Bible counts 6 000 years from the time Adam was created, and not from when the Universe was created. The Universe, according to the Bible was created 6000 years ago, and another 6 days before the Sun shined on the Earth.
Now that was the beginning of Time on Earth, not in the Universe.
The Universe was created in time before Zero Earth time!!!
That can be millions of years for all I care, and if scientists wants to call it a few billion years, they are welcome to do just that, it does not contradict the Bible that says the Universe was created in an era when Earth Time did not exist!
It is called, "In the Beginning"!

Getting to the Theory of Relativity, almost everyone interpenetrates Michelson Morley's observation incorrect. It does not prove "Time Travel", or Time differences due to speed, but something more measurable in the sense that "in...relative to someone standing still, someone moving, seems to experience time running slower. The reverse analysis is also true that the person travelling thinks he is at a standstill, and thinks time is running slower for the person that he sees travelling (but who is actually stationary.)
Be careful to use Relativity as evidence that God had to use this physics magic to create everything in 6 days.
The Bible tells us exactly how God described his work.
Lastly,
The interpenetration that the Sun, Moon and Stars was created only on the 4th day, is incorrect. It says that God told the Sun to shine onto the First heaven, or atmosphere. Sciense itself calculates that the original Sun was only a dim red glow when it fell into its own mass and underwent fusion. This means that the original light on day one was only a dawn with very little illumination. However, over the next 4 days, the sun increased in its strength, and when it finally lit up to its full extend, the Sun was visable in the atmosphere as now, the moon reflected it's light and the planets one by one also shined onto the atmosphere.
Greetings

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Hello Faithful Pilgrim,

It was Albert Einstein who discovered Time Dilation. His 'Theory of Relativity' is about Time Dilation. I see Time Dilation as God's great Creation tool. God's great desire in Creation is focused on, love for God capable, man. Obviously God knew His ‘Let There Be Light’ ‘Big Bang’ was going to need some time to cool and spread out, before He inserted earth into it. God wanted to create Adam in a weeks time. God wanted to Adam to see the stars. Even traveling at the speed of light, light needs time to hit earth from the stars. Even now, thousands of years after Adam, we would only be beginning to see a couple of stars, if it was not for God using Time Dilation at Creation.


Using Time Dilation, we have an earth that was created before everything else in the universe, yet it appears much younger. This is because far less time has elapsed on earth compared to the rest of the Universe, this is Time Dilation. God actually slowed elapsing physical time down to just a couple days on earth, while speeding up the rest of the cosmos which was elapsing time in the billions of years, during the same period; this is Time Dilation. Time Dilation still exists today, our GPS satellites have on board computers to compensate for it. Our astronauts come back to earth younger than their counterparts on earth. Time Dilation certainly is God’s great Creation tool for creating 14 billion years of star formation in four days of Creation.

Our astronaughts come back younger because they are traveling “faster.” Then when they “slow down” and land they age faster to match us.

The incorrect belief of not being able to see stars is because they ignore reality. If you move a flashlight away from you, it continues to emit light along its entire path. The faster, simply redder does the light become. But there is never any part of the journey where light is not being emitted.

Also distance can not be determined. Hubble’s law demands that recessional velocity be directly correlated to redshift to determine distance. But now redshift is claimed to be caused by expanding space, not recessional velocity, so distance can not be determined using redshift.

Those galaxies that are brighter than even they can imagine are not far away, but closer and no brighter than any other. They have just confused distance being they understand redshift is not a distance relation.

But back to astronaughts and time dilation. The only reason they age slower is they move faster than us. As I said, when they slow down they start aging faster again to match us.

So as one calculates backwards in time to when the universe moved slower, radioactive decay rates were faster. This is what leads them to believe the earth is billions of years old.

Remember, they didn’t use clocks to calculate days, but sunrise and sunset. But rulers also change, so the distance between sun and earth also changed.

Adam lived 930 years. His years, which are different than our years now. More likely had an atomic clock been used he would have lived 100 times that long. He was closer to perfection, his genes had not accumulated error from the accelerated radioactive decay yet. His descendants lived less except in rare circumstances. Genetic error began accumulating.

But remember, they use our slower clocks to calculate radioactive decay rates to arrive at the age of the earth, without adjusting for increased rates when it was moving through space slower.

Remember the astronaughts. Faster velocity equals slower age, slower velocity equals faster age.

But rulers also change, so the size of the earth, sun and planets and distances between them also changed, so our days and years do not equal their days and years.

So unless we know our real velocity (which we don’t) we will never know exactly how old the universe is.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I was away for few months, and was fortunate to have investigated into Time dilation.
However, I will not discuss this now.
First, the Bible is very clear that there was a period of creation where time did not exist. It says, in the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth. The Creator then tells us that Liquid, Gas and solids collected and formed a sphere that would result in turning around an axis. This is confirmed on when God says that when light first shined on this earth, time started to count down.
In other words, God created the Universe before he made the Sun to radiate with light.
Now, we need an Earth and a Sun to measure time, dont we?
So, the Bible counts 6 000 years from the time Adam was created, and not from when the Universe was created. The Universe, according to the Bible was created 6000 years ago, and another 6 days before the Sun shined on the Earth.
Now that was the beginning of Time on Earth, not in the Universe.
The Universe was created in time before Zero Earth time!!!
That can be millions of years for all I care, and if scientists wants to call it a few billion years, they are welcome to do just that, it does not contradict the Bible that says the Universe was created in an era when Earth Time did not exist!
It is called, "In the Beginning"!

Getting to the Theory of Relativity, almost everyone interpenetrates Michelson Morley's observation incorrect. It does not prove "Time Travel", or Time differences due to speed, but something more measurable in the sense that "in...relative to someone standing still, someone moving, seems to experience time running slower. The reverse analysis is also true that the person travelling thinks he is at a standstill, and thinks time is running slower for the person that he sees travelling (but who is actually stationary.)
Be careful to use Relativity as evidence that God had to use this physics magic to create everything in 6 days.
The Bible tells us exactly how God described his work.
Lastly,
The interpenetration that the Sun, Moon and Stars was created only on the 4th day, is incorrect. It says that God told the Sun to shine onto the First heaven, or atmosphere. Sciense itself calculates that the original Sun was only a dim red glow when it fell into its own mass and underwent fusion. This means that the original light on day one was only a dawn with very little illumination. However, over the next 4 days, the sun increased in its strength, and when it finally lit up to its full extend, the Sun was visable in the atmosphere as now, the moon reflected it's light and the planets one by one also shined onto the atmosphere.
Greetings

All the Michealson-Morley experiment showed is people didn’t understand anything.

Einstein also wrote that “we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.”

Einstein: Ether and Relativity

But notice they want to apply the idea of motion to it anyways (accelerating, bending, expanding, as if it can be tracked through time); but that’s another subject.

It was concluded there was no aether because of an incorrect belief in what the Michelson-Morley experiment showed. The only thing it actually showed was how easily people are fooled by incorrect conceptions. How they (and people still) failed to see that their viewpoint from outside the system being measured was flawed from the beginning.

The Michelson-Morley experiment is the biggest overlooked conceptual error of all time.

You, the observer looking at the illustration or device, are outside the illustration or device, and the illustration or device is moving with regard to you.

Feynman said: “Let us calculate the time required for the light to go to E and back. Let us say that the time for light to go from plate B to the mirror E is t1 and the time for the return is t2. While the light is on its way from B to the mirror [E], the apparatus moves a distance ut1, so light must traverse a distance of L+ut1 at the speed of c.”

Well, from your eyeballs’ point of view, looking at the illustration or device, yes. But from the point of view of the device, no. We conceptionally see the device moving, and therefore we see the extra distance ut1. But the device does not see itself moving. It has no velocity relative to itself. No object can calculate itself as moving in its own co-ordinate system. Any observer attached to the device or moving along with the device will see or measure the distance L. Period. Only an observer outside the local system would see the distance L+ut1. The device is inside its local system. The device cannot hope to measure any extra distance, or to find a phase difference at the end.

The entire experiment is founded on a conceptual error of the greatest import. The device is not moving relative to itself. There can be no phase shift because the device will never measure any distance but that of L. It will never measure the extra distance of ut1. No phase shift could ever be produced.

Just as if we built the device on the surface of the earth and spun the earth (oh wait, we already have) only an outside observer (off planet) would see the extra distance light must travel [ut1], while we (moving with the device) see it as stationary. The outside observer would expect a phase shift, while we on the earth would not. The experiment would measure the distance L and no phase shift would occurr to the astonishment of the outside observer.

The Michelson-Morley experiment is nothing but a conceptual error of profound proportions. So there has been no experiment that has shown the aether does not exist, but one of profound conceptual mistakes. So there was never any valid reason to begin with to conclude no aether existed. Just the incorrect conceptual errors of close to 130 years.

Now as for clocks on airplanes they merely confirm it is changes in velocity which affect clocks, not magical frame switching as is used in a sad attempt to explain why the twin’s clock slows….. but that so-called paradox is another profound conceptual error in a league of its own….

The entire experiment was simply a conceptual error.....

 

[StevenMerten]

Our astronaughts come back younger because they are traveling “faster.” Then when they “slow down” and land they age faster to match us.

Hello Just,
Do you have any scientific proof on your statement, "Our astronauts come back younger because they are traveling “faster.” Then when they “slow down” and land they age faster to match us."?

In the Hafele-Keating experiment, are you saying that, once back on earth, the atomic clocks, eventually came back to reading the same time? You saying that the higher velocity atomic clock which recorded lower elapsing physical time, eventually, somehow, caught up, to the lower velocity atomic clock on earth, once they were both traveling at the identical velocity, back on earth, is the most bizarre thing I have ever heard.

Note to readers: Hafele and Keating did an experiment to measure time dilation. They put one atomic clock on a jet aircraft. They kept a matching atomic clock on earth. The atomic clock circling the globe, was at a higher velocity than the atomic clock on earth. When the jet landed, the atomic clock, which had been traveling at a higher velocity on the aircraft, had lost elapsing physical time, in comparison to the atomic clock which remained on earth, at a lower velocity.

I have never heard of any scientific proof that these two atomic clocks eventually returned to matching physical time.

The Hafele–Keating experiment was a test of the theory of relativity. In October 1971, Joseph C. Hafele, a physicist, and Richard E. Keating, an astronomer, took four cesium-beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners. They flew twice around the world, first eastward, then westward, and compared the clocks against others that remained at the United States Naval Observatory. When reunited, the three sets of clocks were found to disagree with one another, and their differences were consistent with the predictions of special and general relativity.

Kinematic time dilation[edit]
According to special relativity, the rate of a clock is greatest according to an observer who is at rest with respect to the clock. In a frame of reference in which the clock is not at rest, the clock runs more slowly, as expressed by the Lorentz factor. This effect, called time dilation, has been confirmed in many tests of special relativity, such as the Ives–Stilwell experiment and experimental testing of time dilation.[1]Considering the Hafele–Keating experiment in a frame of reference at rest with respect to the center of the earth, a clock aboard the plane moving eastward, in the direction of the Earth's rotation, had a greater velocity (resulting in a relative time loss) than one that remained on the ground, while a clock aboard the plane moving westward, against the Earth's rotation, had a lower velocity than one on the ground.[2]

Quoted from: Hafele–Keating experiment - Wikipedia​

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Hello Just,
Do you have any scientific proof on your statement, "Our astronauts come back younger because they are traveling “faster.” Then when they “slow down” and land they age faster to match us."?

In the Hafele-Keating experiment, are you saying that, once back on earth, the atomic clocks, eventually came back to reading the same time? You saying that the higher velocity atomic clock which recorded lower elapsing physical time, eventually, somehow, caught up, to the lower velocity atomic clock on earth, once they were both traveling at the identical velocity, back on earth, is the most bizarre thing I have ever heard.

Note to readers: Hafele and Keating did an experiment to measure time dilation. They put one atomic clock on a jet aircraft. They kept a matching atomic clock on earth. The atomic clock circling the globe, was at a higher velocity than the atomic clock on earth. When the jet landed, the atomic clock, which had been traveling at a higher velocity on the aircraft, had lost elapsing physical time, in comparison to the atomic clock which remained on earth, at a lower velocity.

I have never heard of any scientific proof that these two atomic clocks eventually returned to matching physical time.

The Hafele–Keating experiment was a test of the theory of relativity. In October 1971, Joseph C. Hafele, a physicist, and Richard E. Keating, an astronomer, took four cesium-beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners. They flew twice around the world, first eastward, then westward, and compared the clocks against others that remained at the United States Naval Observatory. When reunited, the three sets of clocks were found to disagree with one another, and their differences were consistent with the predictions of special and general relativity.

Kinematic time dilation[edit]
According to special relativity, the rate of a clock is greatest according to an observer who is at rest with respect to the clock. In a frame of reference in which the clock is not at rest, the clock runs more slowly, as expressed by the Lorentz factor. This effect, called time dilation, has been confirmed in many tests of special relativity, such as the Ives–Stilwell experiment and experimental testing of time dilation.[1]Considering the Hafele–Keating experiment in a frame of reference at rest with respect to the center of the earth, a clock aboard the plane moving eastward, in the direction of the Earth's rotation, had a greater velocity (resulting in a relative time loss) than one that remained on the ground, while a clock aboard the plane moving westward, against the Earth's rotation, had a lower velocity than one on the ground.[2]

Quoted from: Hafele–Keating experiment - Wikipedia​

No, not read the same time, they slowed, but begin ticking at the same rate as they did before they went up. I.e. they speed back up to the rate they were before they slowed down.

Once back on earth the clocks tick at the same rate as clocks on earth, they just no longer read the same amount of elapsed time, but they do not continue to tick slower...

Don’t confuse elapsed time as tick rate.

 

[Piet Strydom]

Dear all,
I love this theoretical discussions, and if I ever sound as if I am criticizing anyone, please know this is not the case.
First, The Michelson Morley experiment only proved that there are no such a thing as Aether.
Let me explain.
If we were to measure the path of a light beam travelling parallel with the movement of say the Earth against the supposed aether, versus the same light beam travelling perpendicular to the supposed aether, (The split beam was set up pointing parallel with the Earth rotation towards east, and the perpendicular beam points towards north) we will supposedly calculate the following.
1. The beam travelling paralel against the Supposed aether will travel against the aether velocity to the reflecting mirror, turn around and travel back with the aether velocity at the spead of light.
....in other words it will travel the distance plus the velocity of the aether, then back minus the velocity.
....It will only be the distance traveled from splitter mirror to mirror and back as if the unit was not moving at all.
However,
2. The light beam that travelled to the mirror north, and south, will travel longer, due to the triangle of Pythagoras.
Going north will be the length between the mirrors squared, times the aether velocity squared...added together and root squared to give us the longer distance. times 2 because the same triangulation will be measured.
...therefore, the light beam travelling perpendicular to the Aether travels longer than the one parallel to the aether.

Now, this is where it gets interesting.
If the aether exists, and we were to say measuring the light beams at 18H00 and they are not interfering with each other, it will mean we set the mirrors up to show us this result at 18H00.
Now, if we wait till tomorrow 6H00, it means the aether will travel in the opposite direction!!!
...then we will definately see a difference of twice what we saw yesterday afternoon!

Now, this was what Michelson and Morley did not observe.
Therefore, aether was found non existent.
This however does not prove time dilation at all!

now the evidence.
Olaus Roemer, who, in 1676 looked at the moons of Jupiter, specifically IO, knew that when the Earth and Jupitor was both , say left of the Sun, the moon IO's light does not take as long to reach the Earth as when Jupitor and the Earth is opposite of the Sun.
He knew the distance was closer when both was left, than when they were seperated by hundreds of millions of miles when opposit of the Sun.
He calculated and proved that the light of the Moon Io will take 35 minutes longer or less to reach the Earth (I think 35 mins, cant remember exactly) Anyhow.
Lets say Jupiter is 450 million Km away from the earth, and as soon as the light from Io travels to the Earth when Io dawned from behind Jupiter, it will travel in a straight line to the earth. But there will also be light that travels to say, Saturn in a perpendicular path, and reflects from Saturn to the Earth, these beams will not arrive at the same instant.
Therefore, being part of this light inferometer, the theory of time dilation is flawed.
Where Michelson and Morley, as well as Lorenz with his transformation, went wrong in their assumption is that the 12m distance of Michelson Morleys' inferometer could detect the difference of light frequencies of 540 Nano meters, over a minute difference of 10 X2 to the power of minus 18.
Well, it will only have a 0.02% difference, not able to detect over 12 meters.

300 000 000m per second over 12 meters is like measuring a jet's speed at mach 2, with the use of the thickness of a hair.
Anyway, God's greatness is in the fact that He said, the Antichrist will attempt to change Time and Times. Something God Himself created.
It can not be done, and He proved it with the light emitted from his planets, stuff He made!

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Dear all,
I love this theoretical discussions, and if I ever sound as if I am criticizing anyone, please know this is not the case.
First, The Michelson Morley experiment only proved that there are no such a thing as Aether.
Let me explain.
If we were to measure the path of a light beam travelling parallel with the movement of say the Earth against the supposed aether, versus the same light beam travelling perpendicular to the supposed aether, (The split beam was set up pointing parallel with the Earth rotation towards east, and the perpendicular beam points towards north) we will supposedly calculate the following.
1. The beam travelling paralel against the Supposed aether will travel against the aether velocity to the reflecting mirror, turn around and travel back with the aether velocity at the spead of light.
....in other words it will travel the distance plus the velocity of the aether, then back minus the velocity.
....It will only be the distance traveled from splitter mirror to mirror and back as if the unit was not moving at all.
However,
2. The light beam that travelled to the mirror north, and south, will travel longer, due to the triangle of Pythagoras.
Going north will be the length between the mirrors squared, times the aether velocity squared...added together and root squared to give us the longer distance. times 2 because the same triangulation will be measured.
...therefore, the light beam travelling perpendicular to the Aether travels longer than the one parallel to the aether.

Now, this is where it gets interesting.
If the aether exists, and we were to say measuring the light beams at 18H00 and they are not interfering with each other, it will mean we set the mirrors up to show us this result at 18H00.
Now, if we wait till tomorrow 6H00, it means the aether will travel in the opposite direction!!!
...then we will definately see a difference of twice what we saw yesterday afternoon!

Now, this was what Michelson and Morley did not observe.
Therefore, aether was found non existent.
This however does not prove time dilation at all!

now the evidence.
Olaus Roemer, who, in 1676 looked at the moons of Jupiter, specifically IO, knew that when the Earth and Jupitor was both , say left of the Sun, the moon IO's light does not take as long to reach the Earth as when Jupitor and the Earth is opposite of the Sun.
He knew the distance was closer when both was left, than when they were seperated by hundreds of millions of miles when opposit of the Sun.
He calculated and proved that the light of the Moon Io will take 35 minutes longer or less to reach the Earth (I think 35 mins, cant remember exactly) Anyhow.
Lets say Jupiter is 450 million Km away from the earth, and as soon as the light from Io travels to the Earth when Io dawned from behind Jupiter, it will travel in a straight line to the earth. But there will also be light that travels to say, Saturn in a perpendicular path, and reflects from Saturn to the Earth, these beams will not arrive at the same instant.
Therefore, being part of this light inferometer, the theory of time dilation is flawed.
Where Michelson and Morley, as well as Lorenz with his transformation, went wrong in their assumption is that the 12m distance of Michelson Morleys' inferometer could detect the difference of light frequencies of 540 Nano meters, over a minute difference of 10 X2 to the power of minus 18.
Well, it will only have a 0.02% difference, not able to detect over 12 meters.

300 000 000m per second over 12 meters is like measuring a jet's speed at mach 2, with the use of the thickness of a hair.
Anyway, God's greatness is in the fact that He said, the Antichrist will attempt to change Time and Times. Something God Himself created.
It can not be done, and He proved it with the light emitted from his planets, stuff He made!

Agreed, don’t feel as if I am criticizing, but the MM experiment showed nothing except their conceptual flaw. It would never have shown a diffraction patter because the inferometer will never read any extra distance.

It would be the same if you left it stationary on the earth and spun the earth. Oh wait, that’s been done. Only a person off planet would see an extra distance, but someone spinning with the device would not.

Now spin the device itself or move it. Only someone out of its frame, in the laboratory sees an extra distance. Someone spinning or moving with the device would see none...

See post #24.

 

[StevenMerten]

No, not read the same time, they slowed, but begin ticking at the same rate as they did before they went up. I.e. they speed back up to the rate they were before they slowed down.

Once back on earth the clocks tick at the same rate as clocks on earth, they just no longer read the same amount of elapsed time, but they do not continue to tick slower...

Don’t confuse elapsed time as tick rate.

Hello Just,
gps satellite systems are equipped with computers to compensate for 'Time Dilation'. If they did not, they would put you in the ditch, because elapsing physical time, according to the laws of nature, slows down at their higher velocity. Do we agree?

Earths core is 2.5 years younger than Earths crust. Did the earth's core circle the sun 2.5 times more than the earths crust circled the sun? No, due to gravitational time dilation, the earth's core will always be younger, even if you extract some of the earth's core and bring it to the surface crust of the earth. Earth core samples will start aging at the same rate as the crust, from then on, however, earth core samples will never 'catch up' to be the same age as the earth's crust.
Earth's Core Is 2.5 Years Younger Than Its Crust, New Calculations Reveal

I do not agree with your statement that the astronauts, eventually catch back up in age, to there counterparts on earth.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Hello Just,
gps satellite systems are equipped with computers to compensate for 'Time Dilation'. If they did not, they would put you in the ditch, because elapsing physical time, according to the laws of nature, slows down at their higher velocity. Do we agree?

Earths core is 2.5 years younger than Earths crust. Did the earth's core circle the sun 2.5 times more than the earths crust circled the sun? No, due to gravitational time dilation, the earth's core will always be younger, even if you extract some of the earth's core and bring it to the surface crust of the earth. Earth core samples will start aging at the same rate as the crust, from then on, however, earth core samples will never 'catch up' to be the same age as the earth's crust.
Earth's Core Is 2.5 Years Younger Than Its Crust, New Calculations Reveal

I do not agree with your statement that the astronauts, eventually catch back up in age, to there counterparts on earth.

Yes, Relativity corrections are required, but not because they need to be synced with the non-existent atomic clock in your GPS.

We simply have no way to assure that the satellite clocks remained synced with one another except sync them with clocks on earth.

It wouldn’t matter if they were 10 minutes behind or ahead, as long as they were ALL the same amount.

Your GPS simply records their time stamps and calculates its location from the differences between them.

Think about it. Your GPS has no atomic clock inside it, so it could never sync with them to the required accuracy they claim. All that matters is the satellite clocks remained synced, so syncing them with earth clocks is the only way to assure this.

Test it. Set your GPS to any time you like, hours behind or ahead and it will operate with the same accuracy.

They don’t catch back up in age, they simply start aging the same rate as us (faster) when they return. They do not continue to age slower once back on earth. If they aged 1 day slower then returned, they would forever be one day younger.

When I say they speed back up I mean they start aging again at the same rate as before, not that they gain back the time they aged slower....

But...... if they could slow down further they would catch back up and begin aging faster than us. But this is impossible for man to do, only God can do this.

Why is it impossible for man you ask? I am glad you asked..... because to “slow down” would require one to fire thrusters, thereby accelerating away......

It is God’s catch 22 for mankind. One can never go slower than one already is.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

But my hypothesis remains. If clocks slow as velocity increases, then speed back up to their previous rate when velocity slows and they are back on earth, then when the entire earth moved slower through space they ticked even faster.

This is why radiometric dating is useless, without adjusting clocks for the increased rate.

As for someone’s comment of changing times and days, that was changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, from evening to morning.

Remember the days as recorded in the Bible, not by man..... and the evening and the morning became one day........

The day starts at evening.