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I agree, we know quite a bit...ho hum...Actually we know quite a bit about outer space and distant galaxies etc.. You may be totally ignorant, but that does not mean that others have that problem.
Contrary to the Fairy Tales you are told, no. We know this is a fact because the GPS clocks appear to run faster to us, but clocks on earth run slower to the GPS clocks. The GPS clocks do not see our clocks run faster as well.
This Fairie Dust is because they refuse to shrink the rulers in the spaceships frame. The exact problem you have problems understanding and the entirety of this debate. It is the spaceship that is accelerating - not the earth in this scenario. This is why even E used a stationary twin and an accelerating twin - to show it was the accelerating twin's clocks and rulers that changed due to that acceleration. IF the accelerating twin saw the stationary twin's clocks and rulers as shorter - then neither of the twin's would age differently. It would be reciprocal. But since even E understood that only the twin in the spaceship aged slower - only the twin in the spaceship was affected. The twin in the spaceship sees the stationary twins clocks tick faster and his rulers as being longer. This is how we are able to do transforms from one frame to another.
The problem is you all are refusing to shrink the accelerating twin's rulers and slow his clocks when you talk about reciprocal viewpoints and distances. The twin in the accelerating spaceship does not measure the same distance between points as the stationary twin, his ruler is shorter. You can't then violate the thought experiment by applying the effects of acceleration and velocity to the stationary twin - when only the twin in the spaceship is affected. Proven by the fact that only the twin in the spaceship ages slower - not the stationary twin as well. Or of you prefer the stationary twin ages faster if you take the accelerating twin's viewpoint, your choice.
IF it was truly reciprocal as claimed - then neither twin would age slower - since both would see the exact same thing. Their claims are falsified on their face - which is why they do not want to answer the question posed to them - because they know the answer falsifies all claims of reciprocal viewing. Don't believe for a minute I was banned for an improper phrasing of a question. I was banned because the answer would in the end falsify all claims they make and they know it.
If they claim rulers don't shrink they show their refusal to accept experimental evidence. If they admit the rulers are shorter - their claims of the distances being the same is falsified. It's a catch 22 and they know it. That simple little question puts them into a box into which they have no answer to, because either answer falsifies all their claims. This is why I was banned, because they are not stupid and see the box they are being put into - and so banning keeps them from having to answer and entering that box. Banning is the only answer they can give that preserves their Fairie Dust.
No known way...correction.
Contrary to the Fairy Tales you are told, no. We know this is a fact because the GPS clocks appear to run faster to us, but clocks on earth run slower to the GPS clocks. The GPS clocks do not see our clocks run faster as well.
This Fairie Dust is because they refuse to shrink the rulers in the spaceships frame. The exact problem you have problems understanding and the entirety of this debate. It is the spaceship that is accelerating - not the earth in this scenario. This is why even E used a stationary twin and an accelerating twin - to show it was the accelerating twin's clocks and rulers that changed due to that acceleration. IF the accelerating twin saw the stationary twin's clocks and rulers as shorter - then neither of the twin's would age differently. It would be reciprocal. But since even E understood that only the twin in the spaceship aged slower - only the twin in the spaceship was affected. The twin in the spaceship sees the stationary twins clocks tick faster and his rulers as being longer. This is how we are able to do transforms from one frame to another.
The problem is you all are refusing to shrink the accelerating twin's rulers and slow his clocks when you talk about reciprocal viewpoints and distances. The twin in the accelerating spaceship does not measure the same distance between points as the stationary twin, his ruler is shorter. You can't then violate the thought experiment by applying the effects of acceleration and velocity to the stationary twin - when only the twin in the spaceship is affected. Proven by the fact that only the twin in the spaceship ages slower - not the stationary twin as well. Or of you prefer the stationary twin ages faster if you take the accelerating twin's viewpoint, your choice.
IF it was truly reciprocal as claimed - then neither twin would age slower - since both would see the exact same thing. Their claims are falsified on their face - which is why they do not want to answer the question posed to them - because they know the answer falsifies all claims of reciprocal viewing. Don't believe for a minute I was banned for an improper phrasing of a question. I was banned because the answer would in the end falsify all claims they make and they know it.
If they claim rulers don't shrink they show their refusal to accept experimental evidence. If they admit the rulers are shorter - their claims of the distances being the same is falsified. It's a catch 22 and they know it. That simple little question puts them into a box into which they have no answer to, because either answer falsifies all their claims. This is why I was banned, because they are not stupid and see the box they are being put into - and so banning keeps them from having to answer and entering that box. Banning is the only answer they can give that preserves their Fairie Dust.
I claim you have no way other than Jesus.So if you want to claim that there is then the burden of proof is upon you. Again dad, when you claim that things are different you are responsible for an answer.
Which has changed since the earth is undergoing acceleration just as the spaceship is undergoing acceleration.
Yes they are - you just call shorter rulers meters and slower ticks seconds - and so can perceive no change. The fact that you understand acceleration causes rulers to shrink and clocks to slow - and then claim nothing is changing falsifies your own claims.
Sigh..... The earth is the rocket ship since the entire galaxy is accelerating through space.
No they are NOT EQUAL. If they were equal no transformations would be required. You again confuse PROPORTIONAL to being equal.
The speed of c is not the "same" in all frames. It is "proportional" to the energy gained from acceleration. A second hand on a clock demonstrates this well.
Who are all aging slower as the rocket ship accelerates as their clocks are slowing and their rulers are shrinking.
It doesn't matter if they are ever returned to a stationary frame.
Once again - the fact that the observer in the rocket ship notices no change - does not stop his clocks from slowing under acceleration.
Are you denying that clocks slow under acceleration. Yes or no?
The fact that obfuscation is your only recourse shows you have no science in which to argue with. Answer the question and stop avoiding.
Are you denying that clocks slow under acceleration. Yes or no?
Is this your excuse?
Are you telling me that this question:
"So I guess my question is how does one justify using the same distance in two frames when one is traveling at a significant speed compared to the other frame - when according to length contraction the accelerating frames rulers are shorter and therefore can not measure the same distance?"
It's a simple fact. Zone has been wrong in every conversation we have ever had.
As far as Earth rocks go, since they're always in the same frame as the Earth, it makes no difference whether Earth has accelerated or not, their time is always Earth time.
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