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Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

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Yes, a common interpretation approach is to say that every time the New Testament says commandments, it means the Ten Commandments.

Paul says his letters are the commandment of the Lord.

As far as Old Testament Commandments go, Leviticus ends with this
 
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Well most associate that with the majority of the world, whereas you're associating it with the majority of the Body of Christ.
Jesus associates it with the Body of Christ. When He comes there will be many who call His name Lord Lord, these are believers in name, but not believers in action (Doers) James 1:22 Revelation 22:14

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What do you think God the Father’s will for us is, which Jesus came to do? John 6:38. Do you think what Jesus taught and kept is a different will than for us? Jesus is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 and the commandments of God are Their eternal commandments Matthew 5:19, Rev 11:19 which was an exact mirror image what was in the ark of the covenant in the earthy temple Heb 8:5 so its impossible that any of His commandments could change, and scripture reminds of us that too. Deut 4:2

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

It is God’s will we keep His commandments because we love Him. Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10, 1 John 5:3, Exo 20:6 John 14:15

As I've already said several times, it's not scripture that's the issue, it's the misinterpretation and misuse of scripture that I disagree with.
This is a serious accusation and while it is easy to accuse someone, it’s another to demonstrate that through scripture, which you have not done. I take seeking Truth to God’s Words very seriously, it’s how we sanctified John 17:17 and our truth is meaningless only God’s Truth matters. Psalms 119:151 Our biggest contention seems to be that the Sabbath commandment is one of God’s commandments, while you claim it’s not. You have not been able to demonstrate that through scripture. The annual sabbath(s) are not the same as the seventh day Sabbath commandment God wrote in stone His Ten Commandments. God called it the Ten Commandments and identified them as “My i.e (God) commandments” right in the Ten Exodus 20:6 God blessed the Sabbath so you would need to provide a thus saith the Lord that God removed the one commandment He said to Remember is holy and blessed. Only God can reverse something He blessed Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, but so many times in scripture God personally pleas with us to not profane His holy Sabbath day, that He set aside sactified for holy use to spend time with us.
You misapplied what I said. It’s not just about keeping the Sabbath commandment. That is part of it, but it’s following all of God’s Word and obeying everything He asks of us. You can keep the Sabbath commandment and still be lost if in rebellion to God in other areas. Jesus wants us completely transformed and only He can do that. We come to Jesus just as we are but as we draw closer to Jesus through our love and faith in Him we should want to obey everything He asks of us because we trust Him that He knows what’s best for us. The good news is we have time to repent today and change our path. God is calling us to Today.
 
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That is the only kind of evolution I agree with: macro evolution.
 
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That is the only kind of evolution I agree with: macro evolution.
Do you definitely mean macro or micro?

Either way, your average pigeon in a park looks like it's scavenging, to me
 
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I just got back from church and so was reminded again of your post. Every week we have a children's story just at the beginning mof the church service. Today a woman told the story of how God worked a miracle and savec her now middle aged son's life. At the time they lived in a desert area and one Sabbath afternoon had gone for a walk in an area known to be heavily infested with rattlesnakes.




she heard her son yell snake and as she was desperately afraid of rattlers she went running to see what happened, She heard him yell twice more before she got to where he was and then he told he had gotten bitten. She went running up a steep hill to where he was and saw the puncture marks. She immediately prayed as she knew his life was threatened because they were in a remote area and a long ways from their car. He was too big for her to carry so he had to walk to the car. She drove to town and got to the doctor's office but the doctor immediately told her he knew nothing about treating snake bites.

A nurse told her not to worry that she did. Then she asked where her son was. Turns out he was standing right beside her. She told the nurse he's right here, and the nurse said, no he's not. She again immediately confirmed that this was her son and showed the nurse the puncture wounds on the back of her son's hand.

The nurse said there is nothing we can do for him you might as well take him home. There was only a very slight redness in the area of the puncture wounds and only very slight swelling.

This reminds me of the promise of Psalm 91. A thousand shall fall at thy side and ten thousand at thy right hand but shall not come nigh thee. God is vrt good. He takes care of His children.
 
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If the vast majority of the body of Christ was deceived, that means God used deceived people to compile the Bible. But if they are deceived, why would we trust them?
I don't see this as an issue of trusting people, but an issue of trusting God. I mean, if God isn't powerful enough to protect His word how powerful can He be? He isn't worth trusting in my book if that is the case.
 
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Awesome!
 
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I don't see this as an issue of trusting people, but an issue of trusting God. I mean, if God isn't powerful enough to protect His word how powerful can He be? He isn't worth trusting in my book if that is the case.
Oh, I agree we can trust God! I don't know if you were here or not, but a while back on this thread we were talking about which humans God used to compile the Bible.
 
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I got into a short discussion on that.
 
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Ellen White emphasized the finger of God a lot.

Hello, in the NT the finger of God is His Spirit and the tablet of stones is the human hearts this in parallel to the "tablet of stones and commandments of Old covenant " 2 Corinthians 3:3..(the SDA quoted this about God wrote the 10 commandments on stones so it's important but it's points to how His Spirit is growing within our hearts as we hear and belive the Gospel).
 
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Yes 2 Corinthians 3 is all about the new covenant replacing the old. That transitory ministry of death and condemnation of the stone tablets, has been replaced with the far better ministry of the Spirit. For what was glorious (the tablets of stone) has no glory now, in comparison to the surpassing glory of the new covenant ministry of the Spirit.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,

8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.

11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
" 2 Corinthians 3:7-11
 
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Since it's always being said that the rest of the Body of Christ keeps all of the other commandments except for one, it's obviously all exclusively about the sabbath.
 
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Since it's always being said that the rest of the Body of Christ keeps all of the other commandments except for one, it's obviously all exclusively about the sabbath.
There is no one forcing anyone not to keep the Sabbath commandment. Jesus wants full submission and wants nothing more than to spend time with His children on the day He set aside sanctified and blessed. Only God can sanctify us. Eze 20:12
 
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The New Covenant is God writing His laws in our hearts and minds, the same finger of God who wrote the Ten Commandments on stone, writes His laws in our hearts and minds. Jer 31:33 Hebrews 8:10. The minister of death is the condemnation for breaking the Ten Commandments as it is what points out sin 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 the wages of sin is death, but we can choose a different path through Christ walking with Him in His Spirit which He will give us the power to keep the commandment John 14:15-18. Jesus came to save us from our sin, not in the Matthew 1:21

The Spirit and the law of God are in harmony and those walking in the Spirit will be keeping the law of God. Those who choose flesh (sin) are in enmity with God.

Romans 8: 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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There is no one forcing anyone not to keep the Sabbath.
That's not what I said. I said most of your posts and most of the verses you quote is only regarding the sabbath, since it's said that's the one commandment that's never been kept by most Christians.
Jesus wants full submission and wants nothing more than to spend time with His children on the day He set aside sanctified and blessed. Only God can sanctify us. Eze 20:12
Eze 20:12 says "Sabbaths". You told me "Sabbaths" meant annual Sabbaths that don't have to be kept any longer.
 
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How about stepping away from scripted replies and directly adressing 2 Corinthians 3:1-11?
 
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