Three Ways that Plants Defy Darwin’s Mechanism

[Jimmy D]

These men and a number of others have actually applied the scientific method rather than leaning on gross extrapolation and just so stories to uphold an ideaology.

I am curious as to how the scientific method has been applied by Denton and Behe, how did they test their ideas?

(I’m not attempting to antagonise you, I haven’t read the books you mention).

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Honesty would be applying the scientific method to the question of whether mutation and natural selection are capable of producing the sort of development observed in the biological record.

Michael Behe did this and the results are recorded in his book the Edge of Evolution.
Douglas Axe did this and his results are recorded in his book Undeniable.
Michael Denton has discussed the appearance of novel forms in the record extensively in his book Evolution Still a Theory in Crisis.

These men and a number of others have actually applied the scientific method rather than leaning on gross extrapolation and just so stories to uphold an ideaology.

All I have ever seen in response is shouty adhominem attacks from gutless wonders who can't even be bothered engaging the argument. This alone tells me the nature of the crowd that decries what these guys are trying to do, and the strength of their arguments.

The works of three men do not overturn a scientific theory with over a century and a half of work combined with a world wide network of scientists working on it. And it's stunningly ironic for someone such as yourself to talk about upholding an ideology when you all you do is the exact same.

You complain about us being 'gutless wonders' and when pressed for actual evidence to support your claims, you present nothing.

 

[SLP]

I am not using Behe, I am using the argument he presents.

But you just list it and imply/proclaim its truth.

HOW DO YOU KNOW that Behe's claims have merit?

 

[SLP]

“The ‘new’ muscular valve they found between the small and large intestine is simply an enlargement of muscles already present in the gut wall at this juncture.” Dr David Menton

So why isn't the 'enlargement' considered to have been produced via new information?



"The limbs of tetrapods share similar characteristic features. ...In order to support the weight of the body on land, and permit walking, the most proximal bones of the limbs must be securely attached to the rest of the body. The humerus of the forelimb articulates with the pectoral girdle which includes the scapula (shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collar bone). The only bony attachment of the pectoral girdle to the body is the clavicle...
Not only are the pelvic fins of all fish small, but they're not even attached to the axial skeleton (vertebral column) and thus can't bear weight on land."
- Dr. David Menton

That is why an informed person cannot trust Dr. David Menton when he discusses evolution.