Thousands of chidlren abused by a certain religion who must not be named

[nightflight]

Many Muslims are speaking out. But would you listen if they did? The likely answer is no.

I listen, and I appreciate. My beef is not with the greater Muslim community, but with the enablers of this horror. The apologists, the politically correct, the opportunists.

 

[SecretNiqabi]

I listen, and I appreciate. My beef is not with the greater Muslim community, but with the enablers of this horror. The apologists, the politically correct, the opportunists.

It seems in this case that we both are agreeing with each other.

I personally find it a great annoyance when some random body or person purports to speak on my behalf and makes assumptions about what I'm going to be offended by, or whether I want religious accommodations and what they should be.

S

 

[rich1540]

Do the men accused of being these crimes have an actual commitment to Islam?

There are no shortage of people from Christian churches that are guilty of abusing children. Let face it, there are many people deviod of any empathy in Christian churches.

This conversation is a poor reflection on the body of Christ.

Sorry i couldn't help that.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Plus even if these men WERE Muslim, the very fact of them buying alcohol, cigarettes and cannabis places them in direct contradiction with Islam, as does their behaviour to these poor girls. Islam in no way, shape or form condones what they did.

If the perpetrators were doing this in the name of Islam, or using Islam to back up what they did, there'd be a problem. But I don't see it in this case.

The real guilty party here seems to be councilors and police falling over themselves to appear PC both in not prosecuting the Pakistani/"Asian" men who did this under statutory rape laws and in denying parents the right to look after their daughters (in the case where a father who tried to retrieve his daughter was arrested).

People need to lose their jobs over this, at a minimum.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Haven't read through the thread yet, apologies for any repetitions.

Failures in Rotherham led to sexual abuse of 1,400 children | Society | The Guardian

What happened in Rotherham is utterly reprehensible. It's sickening.

Why can't the media say that they were Muslim men who did this? When Priests do this they automatically accuse the Catholic Church and Christianity, but here they try and hide the religion of the men in this instance.

First of all, the priest analogy would stick more if those criminals were 'qualified' imaams and they, as imaams, were working to keep it silent. I don't know if any of those people who committed those heinous crimes were imaams, let alone qualified ones.

Secondly, why didn't the media shine the spotlight on white and/or Christian men like they did with the men who committed sexual abuse in Rochdale (and happened to be brown and/or Muslim):

By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it. There was no commentary anywhere on how these crimes shine a light on British culture, or how middle-aged white men have to confront the deep flaws in their religious and ethnic identity. Yet that's exactly what played out following the conviction in May of the "Asian sex gang" in Rochdale, which made the front page of every national newspaper. Though analysis of the case focused on how big a factor was race, religion and culture, the unreported story is of how politicians and the media have created a new racial scapegoat. In fact, if anyone wants to study how racism begins, and creeps into the consciousness of an entire nation, they need look no further.

This is how racism takes root | Joseph Harker | Comment is free | The Guardian

 

[Oafman]

It is first and foremost a problem with the leftists running British society.

British society is run by public school toffs. Or did you miss the SMCPC's report this week?

 

[Oafman]

There was a similar gang operating in Oxford. I believe they were also of Pakistani ethnicity. The issue here is cultural, not religious.

And I don't buy the PC_gone_mad argument. I don't know what the Rotherham police are like, but I live in London, and the police down here would never dream of such a hangup. They are quite content to pick on minorities, without ever seeming to but concerned about accusations of racism. Look at the stop and search numbers, or read any of the reports on Steven Lawrence.

Is there a possibility that certain people are using this argument to divert attention from their professional failings?

Anyway, it seems we now have another group to add to our list:

Scout leaders
Catholic priests
70s politicians
Men with beards who used to be on TV
Pakistani taxi drivers

 

[andy b]

I hate to rain on anyones parade but these attacks on young white girls being groomed in the in the Uk are except for a few cases by Pakistani Muslim men ...go research it go read the police reports the lieral do gooders have pandered to the muslim vote so much in this country that it has the abuse of kids to wash off its hands

 

[SolomonVII]

I hate to rain on anyones parade but these attacks on young white girls being groomed in the in the Uk are except for a few cases by Pakistani Muslim men ...go research it go read the police reports the lieral do gooders have pandered to the muslim vote so much in this country that it has the abuse of kids to wash off its hands

It is like the reaction of the military elites in America after the Fort Hood bombing who dismissed those slaughtered and worried that the bigger potential victim would be 'diversity'.

13 lives or 1300 lives, is their any number of lives that would be too big a number to write off as a necessary sacrifice, in order that the sacred cow of diversity is not compromised?

Liberals who come across similar behavior by whites abusing exclusively black girls would not give a pass on the racist dimensions to such a story.
Nor should they. The cultural dimensions of such behavior are a pertinent focus, which would include any religious biases that may or may not be involved, if the abused were all of one religious group, and the abusers of another.
That would be the liberal thing to do, except when the victims are all white trash who don't really matter anyway, when the bigger victim would be diversity.

 

[SecretNiqabi]

If the perpetrators were doing this in the name of Islam, or using Islam to back up what they did, there'd be a problem. But I don't see it in this case.

Chances are that they're cultural Muslims whose involvement with Islam might be going to mosque on Eid, or on Friday occasionally. I can certainly find little reason to connect their actions to Islam other than their cultural background, which is almost as meaningless as printing headlines about 'white Christian' criminals every time a crime by a white man is in the papers.

The real guilty party here seems to be councilors and police falling over themselves to appear PC both in not prosecuting the Pakistani/"Asian" men who did this under statutory rape laws and in denying parents the right to look after their daughters (in the case where a father who tried to retrieve his daughter was arrested).

People need to lose their jobs over this, at a minimum.

Unfortunately chances are that all that will happen is that some people will say 'lessons will be learnt' and nothing will happen to really change anything.

 

[GarfieldJL]

It is like the reaction of the military elites in America after the Fort Hood bombing who dismissed those slaughtered and worried that the bigger potential victim would be 'diversity'.

Let's be honest here, that was the Obama Administration that made that call.

 

[brewmama]

Let's be honest here, that was the Obama Administration that made that call.

Yes, but sadly, he has a lot of like-minded followers in the upper ranks of the military.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The issue here is cultural, not religious.

It's bit of both. The culture is influenced by the religion.

This is a culture where the virginity of young women is jealously guarded. Men and women are strictly separated in the public sphere. Unchastity among unmarried girls leads to honor killings. Unmarried men, then, turn to non-Muslim women for sexual release, who because they go in public with their heads uncovered, are assumed to be loose anyway. Girls in the early years of adolescence are preferred because they are seen as least resistant to these men's advances.

In predominately Muslim societies, where there are few or no non-Muslim girls around, they would be grooming adolescent boys, which is likewise considered more ethical than defiling an unmarried Muslim girl.

 

[SolomonVII]

Let's be honest here, that was the Obama Administration that made that call.

It may have been his personal call. I wouldn't say for sure.

It is the kind of call that he would have made, for it fits in with every other call that he has made.

On the other hand, this mushy-headed queasiness to give a name to evil goes much deeper than Obama. This is plainly shown by how the same kind of politically correct bs has led to 1300 young girls in Britian being thrown over the bus.

 

[nightflight]

Rotherham abuse: Researcher 'faced council hostility'

BBC News - Rotherham abuse: Researcher 'faced council hostility'

A Home Office researcher who wrote a report into the sexual exploitation of children in Rotherham has said she faced "hostility" from the council.

 

[nightflight]

Do y'all think this story will just go away?

 

[SolomonVII]

Do y'all think this story will just go away?

I hope not. I hope that the British 'street' still has enough fire in their belly to actually stay incensced about what the politically correct elites have done to these 1300 girls, and that they bust a few of these morally imbecilic goons right in the chops.
This is not the kind of leadership that any true Brit could ever abide by.

 

[nightflight]

Why is it that cat calls on the street from men are so condemned, but this.........

 

[Oafman]

Why is it that cat calls on the street from men are so condemned

Because they're misogynistic, objectifying and offensive?

but this.........

.... is condemned in much stronger terms? Is a massive news story where cat calls are not? Is completely incomparable?


Now, perhaps we should discuss the crime wave of white sexual abuse:

It's time to face up to the problem of sexual abuse in the white community

I'm beginning to feel sorry for whites. I have many white friends and I know most of them are wholly opposed to sexual abuse. But they must be worried that their whole community is getting a bad name. I can imagine that, every day, with each unfolding case, they must be hiding their face behind their hands, pleading: "Please, God, don't let it be a white person this time.

 

[nightflight]

.... is condemned in much stronger terms? Is a massive news story where cat calls are not? Is completely incomparable?

If only.

But after the shock has subsided and we have time to reflect on these revolting crimes, the main question in most reasonable people's minds must surely be: what is it about white people that makes them do this?

Wait, what?

You present an opinion piece from 2013? Really?