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Thoughts On Parenting

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I met a lot of people who seem diametrically opposed to being parents and have given me some rants about why; either that, or they do not seem excited at the prospect.

Oddly, for a while I have looked forward to the idea of being a parent in the sense that I feel it is an almost necessary and fulfilling journey in a parent's life. Of course, there are the very practical considerations of not wanting to die alone, etc.

But I also feel that one can understand oneself better by having an intimate observation of childhood from an adult's perspective, and furthermore, by having a parent I will insure a sense of responsibility that can straighten me out a bit further. I do not want to be doing at age 40 exactly what I do at age 20, and I figure how unfulfilling it would be, even if I was successful in my other endeavors, to have no one to truly share it with.

I also do not believe romantic love can sustain a relationship endlessly and that children almost become a necessity to attach new and deeper meaning to a relationship.

Of course, I also have the arrogant view that I could afford children a unique upbringing. I have a lot of unique perspectives and good life experiences; I feel like I could encourage kids towards better paths.

When I have done some teaching of teenagers in English I have found that I can also have good, positive influences; I have several stories about this, and I felt like my position as an American can be beneficial.

I think I would want to raise children in a place like Korea, China, Poland, etc.

The societies, as far as I understand them, have the right ingredients to make amazing people: the dichotomy of poor and rich is strong, the amount of crime and social issues span the whole gamut, an influence of religion and/or atheism on the society that would be educational in and of itself. The generational differences in Korea, China and Poland would also be interesting as the memories of much different societies have not been erased.

I feel middle class America (and perhaps Canada and Europe) is the worst place to raise a kid right now -- insulated in suburbs gives them unrealistic images of poverty and crime, massive religious hypocrisy that has bred overly cynical views, hypersensitivity on race issues that makes it impossible for it even to be soberly discussed, so easy to spoil them and the current rate of substance abuse and casual sex amongst youth is a terrible influence.

I remember receiving very penetrating questions on the lifestyles of Americans from a whole range of Asians my own age -- Vietnamese, Chinese, Korean -- and sometimes it was treated with a naive envy at the sense of freedom, but most of the time there was a very real concern for the moral structure of a society... This moral concern was often expressed by religion-less people, oddly enough, and it has influenced me strongly to take more harsh criticism of over-indulgence amongst youth.

Leo Strauss spoke about the necessity of a moral view, whether religious or civic in nature, that has to be a guiding force. It seems the majority of atheists in Asia as well hold onto the idea that there has to be collective moral standards in order to insure a society which does not drift into a sense of meaninglessness and 'brutal or gentle nihilism.'

It is for those reasons I would ideally not raise children in the 'gentle nihilism' of Western society.
 
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While I believe I would have the psychological knowledge to have children, I feel I lack both the physical and emotional energy to be an effective parent. I still have lingering intimacy issues from my past, along with a history of depression and both keep me skeptical about having children.

I firmly believe that if I did not have some of my current issues/character flaws, I would be much more open to having children. Unfortunately, my perception of them is one of burden/hardship/obligation and not of love, fun, and blessing.

Too many individuals are having children when they should not and this upsets me very much. We need to work on our inner selves before we can even think about having children.
 
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While I believe I would have the psychological knowledge to have children, I feel I lack both the physical and emotional energy to be an effective parent. I still have lingering intimacy issues from my past, along with a history of depression and both keep me skeptical about having children.

I firmly believe that if I did not have some of my current issues/character flaws, I would be much more open to having children. Unfortunately, my perception of them is one of burden/hardship/obligation and not of love, fun, and blessing.

Too many individuals are having children when they should not and this upsets me very much. We need to work on our inner selves before we can even think about having children.

That's a very mature attitude. I think by having an attitude where one recognizes one is not ideal to be a parent yet you are being very honest with yourself and are ready to overcome th ose issues. It is healthy.

I know I would not be ready to be a parent anytime very soon.

I think after marriage there comes a stage where one sees more obligation and duty, naturally, and in this path of marriage one is already preparing oneself better for the creation of a family.
 
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To me children get in the way of marriage. I would not get as much quality time with my husband if I had a child. For 18 plus years it would seriously take away from our relationship.

I believe that a marriage can be stronger without children.
 
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To me children get in the way of marriage. I would not get as much quality time with my husband if I had a child. For 18 plus years it would seriously take away from our relationship.

I believe that a marriage can be stronger without children.


That's an interesting take on it. :) And there would be a lot of people who disagree with this. Normally it seems to be the opposite. If a marriage is failing, some people think having children would somehow fix it. But I think it's just bringing a child into a potentially harmful situation.
 
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Oddly, for a while I have looked forward to the idea of being a parent in the sense that I feel it is an almost necessary and fulfilling journey in a parent's life. Of course, there are the very practical considerations of not wanting to die alone, etc.

But I also feel that one can understand oneself better by having an intimate observation of childhood from an adult's perspective, and furthermore, by having a parent I will insure a sense of responsibility that can straighten me out a bit further. I do not want to be doing at age 40 exactly what I do at age 20, and I figure how unfulfilling it would be, even if I was successful in my other endeavors, to have no one to truly share it with.

I also do not believe romantic love can sustain a relationship endlessly and that children almost become a necessity to attach new and deeper meaning to a relationship.

The enboldened are among the most selfish reasons I have ever heard of for having a child. Please, please do not have any children.
 
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The enboldened are among the most selfish reasons I have ever heard of for having a child. Please, please do not have any children.

Well lets face people don't have children for selfless reasons (unless the child was unplanned)

I am only 19 so IF i do have children it will be far into the future, like steelerbred i have a history of depression and having being raised by a mother who suffers from depression i know its not ideal (understatment :)) so unless i can deal with those issues i may never have children. But hey, who knows what will happen 10 years down the line.
 
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I actually did think of how selfish I sounded as I wrote it.

However, it seems easier to cope with my selfishness because as a result of it a life is being created.

I do not care how selfish the intention may have ever been, I am just happy to be alive and I think most people have that sort of feeling.
 
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There is some evidence that childless couples are happier than parents. Link

And while on the topic of selfishness, DINKs (dual income, no kids) tend to be among the most affluent demographic group.

Which makes sense as they have cut a lot of th emoney they need to dedicate to kids by a lot and have far less obligations to anyone than themselves.

I guess there are selfish reasons to have kkids but to some extent it is simply easy to see dinks as selfish.
 
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Whats so amazing about grandkids. Its the same as nephews and neices. You have fun with them and give them back without any of the work.

Hmmm No disrespect sis, but it's not even close to the same thing. :wave:
tulc(just in case you were wondering) :)
 
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I don't see anything special about grandkids. Whats so amazing? They are just children you don't have to have responsibility for

That’s exactly what’s great about them, I guess.
 
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I don't see anything special about grandkids. Whats so amazing? They are just children you don't have to have responsibility for

It's probably one of those things you have to experience in order to understand, I guess. *shrugs*
 
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lol well all the children in the world are like that so I am more than happy with children being other peoples responsibility.


No one else's children give the experience of bringing you as close to immortality as you'll ever get, though.

The evolution race? I beat you. ;)
 
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