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Thoughts on life post resurrection?

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What's everyone's thoughts on what our consciousness will be after the resurrection? Will we still exist as individuals? Will our personalities that were in this world survive the transformation?

I come to you as I know you lads know your scripture and am interested in the Biblical ideas on this...

I always thought when folks talked about seeing their family or friends in heaven it seems a bit odd as I imagine that anything that held us or attached us to this world (including loved ones) is instantly dissolved when confronted with the immense power and glory of the Almighty. Kinda like how Paul talks their won't be husbands and wives.

Do me merge into a oneness with Christ and have peace as we serve Him for eternity? I can only imagine that our minds are altered (or destroyed) in such a way that we are fully engulfed in the peace of God and absorbed into His glory.

I guess to some it up, I don't think 'gord' will be 'gord' in the Kingdom.

Thoughts from my scholarly forum friends?! :)
 

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Good question. We won't be married in heaven according to Jesus, which to me implies the break down of familial relationships as we know them, Also, we will be given "spiritual" bodies, which means we won't be corrupted by "the flesh" or sin. Further, it will be in our heart to sing God's praises endlessly, which is in none of our hearts now.

So, we will over flow with love, but in resurrected bodies. I think this leaves no room for family and friends as we know it, as then love is divided and given to people. In heaven, there will be no sun or moon, but only God as it's light. How can we think of anything else?
 
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I guess to some it up, I don't think 'gord' will be 'gord' in the Kingdom.

Thoughts from my scholarly forum friends?! :)

I'm no scholar but we're told that Christ Himself will give us a new name. Wow! What a moment that will be. But just like the resurrected Christ we will know where we came from and what we experienced. That'll make the eternal praise that much heartier. God will be the center of our lives but we will also relate to one another with more love and joy than we can imagine. Christ has not only repaired the vertical breach, but the horizontal one as well.
 
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Good question. We won't be married in heaven according to Jesus, which to me implies the break down of familial relationships as we know them, Also, we will be given "spiritual" bodies, which means we won't be corrupted by "the flesh" or sin. Further, it will be in our heart to sing God's praises endlessly, which is in none of our hearts now.

So, we will over flow with love, but in resurrected bodies. I think this leaves no room for family and friends as we know it, as then love is divided and given to people. In heaven, there will be no sun or moon, but only God as it's light. How can we think of anything else?

I am fond of stating a basic belief shared by all the major Bible believing Christians AND orthodox Jews in this manner: Heaven is a nice place to visit, but we are not going to want to live there.

Yes we will have some form of temporary dwelling in Heaven immediately upon our physical death or rapture. Yet this is NOT the ultimate state. We are of Earth's dust made, and to dust we shall long to return even in Heaven. When Adam was made perfect before the fall, yet there was something "not good" about Adam's state. Think about that, a perfect man in communion with God and YET, "it is not good for the man to be alone." Adam needed company, and that company was integral to his FLESH.

So no, even in Heaven we will think of something else besides God. We will indeed enjoy the fellowship of others, including those who were on Earth our biological family.

Besides that, those in Heaven now long for various things yet in the furture. Here is one such example,

Rev 6:9 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also. (NASB)

These are perfected saints in glory, in full communion with God and yet, like Adam, their joy is not yet complete! This is what the Bible says, not me. How it is that with full communion with God yet we shall desire more is quite beyond my philosophy to explain, but my Faith rests on the Bible, not my own sophistry, and on this the Bible is clear. Even more, the Second Person of the Trinity wanted more than the Eternal bliss of that communion. Does not Paul declare that for the "Joy set before Him Christ endured death, even death on a cross"? What could possibly be something more than the Eternal bliss of the trinity? Marriage to His bride; that's us folks, us. How it could be that Jesus the only Son of God, begotten and not made before the creation of timespace could so llok foward to fellowship with such vermin like myslf that He would humiliate Himself to swaddling clothes and even suffer the imputation of all the sins of the elect is again COMPLETELY beyond my ability to explain. Yet again, the Bible is clear about this also.

Lastly, we also look foward to the resurrection of the FLESH. Even those in Heaven, saints, angels and indeed the whole of creation, the very ground we walk upon, groans looking foward to the creation (re-creation) of the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Folks, Jesus is the first fruit of this event, and Jesus had fish for breakfast with the Apostles after His resurrection.

As for me, I have already placed my order for peperoni pizza with onions for when the New Jerusalem comes physically down from Heaven to a physical New Earth after the burning of the current timespace by what Peter calls "elemental fire" I am expecting delivery to whatever flat I am assigned in the New Jerusalem. It will be the Joy of God and the privilege of an angel to deliver said pizza to a former disgusting worm such as me that somehow (oh what Amazing Grace indeed) will be redeemed into someone worthy to live in that glorious city!

Stop spiritualizing what the Bible makes very clear is physical. Eschew the gnostic dualism that plagues the Church and learn from the Hebrews to value the physical world. The world that God repeatedly declared good and even very good.

JR, the madman
 
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My question was our 'consciousness'. I know attachment is strong and people get attached to the idea of themselves and the idea that they will meet up with old friends in family in the hereafter and still be their ego or personality that they are now. I do think that sort of thought skews what we think the 'New Jerusalem' will be like as it is more what we want or what we are attached to then what it will be.

I do think that our conscious will be more collective as saints instead of individual, but that's just my view based on what i read in the Bible. The whole idea that is reiterated in the Bible of letting go of ourselves and relying on Jesus and all that.
 
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Apparently this was a common Jewish view. Hermeneia Matthew quotes:

“In the future world there is not eating and drinking, not begetting and propagation, neither trade nor traffic, neither envy nor enmity nor conflict. Instead, the righteous sit there with their crowns on their heads and refresh themselves at the brilliance of the Shekinah” (b. Ber. 17a).

I don't see any implication of loss of individuality.
 
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I don't have scripture to back me up, well maybe 1 Thessalonians 5:23, "Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ". I know it's a stretch. I can't come up with anything else in scripture that tells us about how much or little we maintain of our individuality post resurrection.

Nice post, it keeps the cobwebs out of my brain thinking about these sort of things, I'm looking forward to finding out!
 
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Apparently this was a common Jewish view. Hermeneia Matthew quotes:

“In the future world there is not eating and drinking, not begetting and propagation, neither trade nor traffic, neither envy nor enmity nor conflict. Instead, the righteous sit there with their crowns on their heads and refresh themselves at the brilliance of the Shekinah” (b. Ber. 17a).

I don't see any implication of loss of individuality.

Yeah. Hard to say. Not really even trying to imply that it's a complete loss of individuality but more that we are One with Christ in the Resurrection (Romans 6:5). Not loss of individuality, but a completion of our souls journey, where we shed off what held us back in the flesh of this world. Your passage kinda sounds like that.
 
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What's everyone's thoughts on what our consciousness will be after the resurrection? Will we still exist as individuals? Will our personalities that were in this world survive the transformation?

I come to you as I know you lads know your scripture and am interested in the Biblical ideas on this...

I always thought when folks talked about seeing their family or friends in heaven it seems a bit odd as I imagine that anything that held us or attached us to this world (including loved ones) is instantly dissolved when confronted with the immense power and glory of the Almighty. Kinda like how Paul talks their won't be husbands and wives.

Do me merge into a oneness with Christ and have peace as we serve Him for eternity? I can only imagine that our minds are altered (or destroyed) in such a way that we are fully engulfed in the peace of God and absorbed into His glory.

I guess to some it up, I don't think 'gord' will be 'gord' in the Kingdom.

Thoughts from my scholarly forum friends?! :)

Good post and questions, the topic of heaven is a difficult one (at least for me), especially when it comes to detailed questions, because (as far as I know) the details are limited in Scripture. Also consider, the earthly words used to describe an afterlife none of the writers had experienced may be figurative and still far short. "A picture is worth a thousand words". If that is true of earthly things, how much more of heavenly?

I believe we will exist as individuals, our consciousness will be one in purpose, the result will be one in practice, and one in purity. What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. I believe our individual personalities will survive, however like the physical body, purified. Supposing our individuality did not survive, we would not recognize anyone we knew on earth, because personality is so crucial to distinguishing one individual from another. Also the atonement the work accomplished by Christ for individuals, would seem (at least to me) to border on meaningless without individual consciousness. It seems to me, God is more glorified by a mass of individual consciousness in perfect unity, than an impersonal unity lacking consciousness, and therefore any sense of morality or distinguishing character one from another.

Although my answer admittedly may be more philosophical than biblical, it is based on what I have retained from Scripture, based on my understanding of universal principals of logic used in interpretation, based on a God centered epistemology.
 
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As for me, I have already placed my order for peperoni pizza with onions for when the New Jerusalem comes physically down from Heaven to a physical New Earth after the burning of the current timespace by what Peter calls "elemental fire" I am expecting delivery to whatever flat I am assigned in the New Jerusalem. It will be the Joy of God and the privilege of an angel to deliver said pizza to a former disgusting worm such as me that somehow (oh what Amazing Grace indeed) will be redeemed into someone worthy to live in that glorious city!

Stop spiritualizing what the Bible makes very clear is physical. Eschew the gnostic dualism that plagues the Church and learn from the Hebrews to value the physical world. The world that God repeatedly declared good and even very good.

This.
 
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I know the Bible says there will be no marriage, etc., but I often wonder if that applies only to heaven and not the new Earth. I tend to wonder if God will restore the Earth similar to what it was prior to the fall - where man and woman were intended to be together.

Jesus was resurrected into a glorified state. Was He not still a MAN, and not some androgynous he/she creature? Won't man and woman be ressurrected as man and woman, and if they are not intended to be together, then what's the point of having sexes at all?

Isaiah 65:17 says that "the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind." I wonder to what degree that will be true. Will it be a complete memory wipe? Or will we just not remember our sin? Will we have no knowledge of each other? Seems like if we remembered anything about our life here on this Earth there would be some sadness that some of our friends/family did not come with us to the new Earth.

I tend to think that it will be a complete memory wipe and restart of God's original design - only better.

I'm not particularly committed to this stance - I can't really back it up. As I said, I just do a lot of wondering.
 
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