Thoughts on inner healing?

[Goodbook]

I am getting conflicting information from different christians. I went on got questions site and found recently they had changed their entry on bipolar it is no longer issues of pride but a purely physical condition that affects behaviour, oh and though this behaviour is noticeably sinful, you can't use it as an excuse. when I read stuff like that it seems to me bipolar is put in the too hard basket with a whole subclass of human beings who everyone else has to tolerate and look after because nothing can be done to help you change the way you feel, but just accept it.

I went to a christian counselor once who said that you just need to tell yourself the truth and stop feeling so much. I think that's easier said than done. is that why drugs are given to numb and sedate you? If emotions are that easy to control, for non bipolars then why do they think its just a matter for bipolar affected people to be just be separate from emotions by constantly analysing your thoughts? It's that extra burden of having to second guess yourself and be on guard ALL the time that gets to me.

I went up for healing at a meeting and the minster said what I had went back to childhood, God had revealed that to him, yet I couldnt recall anything specific that would cause this lifelong condition. I've also had spirits of confusion coughed out of me and had the whole deliverance thing. I get told God loves me a lot and has a plan. still waiting for that to happen though, and wondering if he just planned on leaving me this way for the rest of my life.
Maybe there's something in it because bipolar is such an emotionally volatile illness and episodes can be likened to reacting to things in a childish manner.
It's like I don't have that extra layer of thinking about my emotions that normal people have..and so I wonder if maybe its just down to membranes and wiring and pathways in the body that's all got damaged somehow and failed to grow that protective layer. And that leads me to trauma and the idea that it goes back to childhood, yet if that theory is true do you reckon the soul retains all your memories from your body much like when you cut a tree down you can see all the rings there, if the first smallest rings get healed from woundedness will that then bring emotional stability and maturity?

So what are people's experiences? Thought therapy, accepting your condition as in curable while staying on meds to balance those chemicals, or this new idea of inner healing? Are inner healing ministers legit? I found one that would help me but he is charging lots of money for this session....and if nothing happens he won't charge, but then secular doctors charge for meds and consultations as do christian counsellors... So I guess I shouldn't expect anything to be free, I've already paid so much for treatments..

 

[CraftyTurtle]

Second guessing yourself constantly is exhausting, isn't it? But I think that what separates us from the ferals. Those (usually young) people who are hedonistic, narcissistic, etc. just wanting to have a good time, no responsibilities, drop out of school, don't work, commit small crimes, drink excessively, smoke things other than just cigarettes, etc. ...these are the people I refer to as ferals.

Second guessing yourself is your conscience talking. "Is this course of action the right one?" or "What did I do to make that person so angry?" Second guessing is our way of trying to fit in with a society that we don't quite understand, and we feel doesn't fully understand us.

People who second guess, CARE about others, we CARE about the world, we cry when an animal shelter ad comes on TV, or we are confronted with thousands upon thousands of displaced people in Africa. We wonder what we can do to help. You'll find a lot of charity workers are second-guessers.

Not content to sit on the sidelines, whether it be for ourselves, or for others, we constantly question not so much the "why", but the "what"... what can I do? What *should* I do?

Look at the great men and women who do/did God's work. Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela, etc. I bet they second guessed, and questioned themselves as to what they could do to make the world a better place. Whether it's a whole city of lepers, or one lonely elderly neighbour, having a conscience and doing something about it has made good things happen.

Ferals have no such conscience. If they are confronted with world hunger, or the economy, they just say it's not their fault. If it's their graffiti or broken bottles, they don't care. They aren't willing to be part of the solution, though. That would be too hard. They know they can't fix the world, so they don't even try to fix themselves. It's easier to drop out.

Oh how I'd love the easy path. But I have my conscience and my Faith. Yes, I second guess. That is how I know I am doing God's work. God doesn't expect me to be a martyr or a missionary, but He does expect me to think, and to act. I wouldn't give that up for anything. I'm not sure I personally would want to be healed of second guessing - I am who God made me, and He reminds me that Paul and others suffered greatly for His mission, and they used their experiences to do His work. eg, if you've never experienced hatred, can you find love? If you've never been poor, can you use wealth wisely? If you've never been sick, can you use your health for Good? I'm just grateful my path is not nearly as difficult as Paul's!

I choose to accept all that I am, and to use the tools God gave me, to do Good. I don't want to be healed of that.

I'd happily give up my Asthma though. I see no benefit in that whatsoever.

 

[Goodbook]

Good points, but didn't Jesus said to come to him because his burden was easy and his yoke was light? The problem I have with second guessing is that it's kind of like works salvation, that you have to go through all this effort and end up being a self-righteous Pharisee who looks down on the sinners instead of simply admitting you are one and going to Jesus.

And while it all makes sense logically or within reason (yes control your emotions and then feel like a failure when you mess up and cry and agonize over all your wrong choices when you weren't even aware of what the *right* choices are in the first place) and it seems certain churches do practice this a their brand of Christianity and there is nothing wrong with cultivating I suppose, your intuition and being obedient and all that, it does bypass the fact that our God is a supernatural God who can change things and heal us when we are unable to heal ourselves. I'm still holding out to the fact that it is Jesus who sets the captives free, not by our works, lest anyone boast. Where is the joy in second guessing? If I am a new creature in Christ, why would I continually be battling with my old nature? Did Jesus second guess?

I mean..did all those sick people Jesus healed in the Bible decide they were just going to carry on living with their illnesses instead of asking to be free and accept they were not going to be healed this side of heaven? Or did they persist, keep knocking and keep asking and keep seeking? Did their friends comfort them like Job's friends did and say oh well, you didn't have enough faith, its down to your sin, you must have offended God, and well, tough luck, you just have to deal with your lot in life...suffering builds character and all that. But bipolar is not something given to me as a christian, so I don't believe it was ever meant as somes sort of noble trait, or an example of suffering otherwise all christians would be bipolar.

 

[Strachan]

Well in history many of the outstanding people were in fact bipolar, so it is not always only bad.

Inner healing: depends on what you mean by that. The bible refers to broken hearts. Jesus came to destroy the works of Satan, which includes setting the captives free and to heal the broken hearted. I have seen it many times, but have only done it a few times as I am still learning - and it was not me, but Jesus. Apart from Jesus we can do nothing.

Also, personally I don't agree anyone should charge money for deliverance or healing, but then again I understand why they do.

I believe it is possible to be healed from bipolar, as Jesus had given us ALL authority over the enemy.

Be blessed.

 

[Goodbook]

Thank you..yes I know.. although right now I'd rather live a normal life than be outstanding.
Recently I've come back to the idea of taking these nutrient supplements, rather than meds to suppress or stablise moods, to build up the brain or gut or whatever inside parts aren't working properly. I'm going to have to talk to my doctor about this, and pay for yet another consultation, and the supplements aren't cheap. But I think I would just be cheating myself if I don't try them especially when people with bipolar testify they do work. I tried this a few years ago and my old doctor just wouldn't have a bar of it. So finding myself a new one, I got onto lithium orotate, the problem being..I get to this level of stability but I'm only passing for normal..I don't feel that spring in my step wellness that I KNOW when I look in the mirror that all is well with my soul. The idea behind it is people with bipolar have a genetic vulnerability (BAD GENES) that make us more sensitive or hate to say it less robust, weak and we can't metabolize the correct chemicals to keep us even..like plants that grow healthy when the soil is healthy and full of nutrients the same thing happens for bipolar.


Inner healing..well, according to my research that means broken parts of the soul, healing wounds, hearts etc.
spiritual inner healing seems to work for people with ptsd or mpd, they can actually pinpoint to some trauma in their lives wheres its hard for me to say, well, at that point when I fell and knocked my head everything started to go wrong. See that's the annoying part, not knowing. I think it's called theophostics and you go and pray about all your hurts with a trained counseler/deliverance minister and ask Jesus in to heal them. But I'm at this point that if I don't try this then I would feel a fraud and give in to those people who think there is no hope for people with bipolar, that's why so many give up, I don't want to be one of those people. I know of several who gave up, and they came from families of believers, I just don't know how that happens!

 

[Strachan]

Yes, I know the challenges with bipolar. Never give up, through Jesus all things are possible.

Chat anytime. If you do see someone for help, make sure they know what they are doing. We are not just talking couselling, but a healing of the broken parts. They need to be spoken to, and be brought to Jesus. Jesus brings the healing.

Be blessed.

 

[Hopes]

I am getting conflicting information from different christians. I went on got questions site and found recently they had changed their entry on bipolar it is no longer issues of pride but a purely physical condition that affects behaviour, oh and though this behaviour is noticeably sinful, you can't use it as an excuse. when I read stuff like that it seems to me bipolar is put in the too hard basket with a whole subclass of human beings who everyone else has to tolerate and look after because nothing can be done to help you change the way you feel, but just accept it.

I went to a christian counselor once who said that you just need to tell yourself the truth and stop feeling so much. I think that's easier said than done. is that why drugs are given to numb and sedate you? If emotions are that easy to control, for non bipolars then why do they think its just a matter for bipolar affected people to be just be separate from emotions by constantly analysing your thoughts? It's that extra burden of having to second guess yourself and be on guard ALL the time that gets to me.

I went up for healing at a meeting and the minster said what I had went back to childhood, God had revealed that to him, yet I couldnt recall anything specific that would cause this lifelong condition. I've also had spirits of confusion coughed out of me and had the whole deliverance thing. I get told God loves me a lot and has a plan. still waiting for that to happen though, and wondering if he just planned on leaving me this way for the rest of my life.
Maybe there's something in it because bipolar is such an emotionally volatile illness and episodes can be likened to reacting to things in a childish manner.
It's like I don't have that extra layer of thinking about my emotions that normal people have..and so I wonder if maybe its just down to membranes and wiring and pathways in the body that's all got damaged somehow and failed to grow that protective layer. And that leads me to trauma and the idea that it goes back to childhood, yet if that theory is true do you reckon the soul retains all your memories from your body much like when you cut a tree down you can see all the rings there, if the first smallest rings get healed from woundedness will that then bring emotional stability and maturity?

So what are people's experiences? Thought therapy, accepting your condition as in curable while staying on meds to balance those chemicals, or this new idea of inner healing? Are inner healing ministers legit? I found one that would help me but he is charging lots of money for this session....and if nothing happens he won't charge, but then secular doctors charge for meds and consultations as do christian counsellors... So I guess I shouldn't expect anything to be free, I've already paid so much for treatments..

Well I understand what your saying. At times I don't even think I have bipolar disorder because what I have is so different than what everyone else says about it. Its like everything is fine until the next horrible thing comes along then I cant deal anymore. On most days I am pretty normal but it seems like several years ago, I had put up with so much that I just lost it. I had a house full of teenagers who would not listen and I was still dealing with my husbands first affair. One day I stopped sleeping then slowly lost it. The meds made it worse so I really went loony.

I don't know what I have or if they are even right about diagnosing me. I do know that I was way out of the age range for when most people are diagnosed and that I was going though a lot when it all happened but who knows.

As far as councilors or healers etc. I have not had any luck with them. My husbands last councilor cost us a ton and was basically just a parrot. I like birds, I should have just went to the pet store for all the good he did. My husband said it would go like this. They would talk, he would say how do you feel about that? My husband would say how he felt. At the end of the session he would parrot everything my husband said back to him.

Yep, a parrot would have been that helpful so I will just get one of them instead. At least Cockatoos can be taught to dance, at least get entertainment out of it. I saw one on you tube that danced to the song "Thriller" now that's therapy lol.

I had one Christian councilor tell me I basically had a demon once. She told me I needed a deliverance which I didn't know what that was. I went home and looked it up and decided to never go back. I am not saying I am perfect but I don't think I am demon possessed. Honestly, I think she had a thing for my husband because she was on his side and against me from day one. She wanted to bury his affair probably because she was guilty of the same thing, or because she had a thing for my husband.

Personally I am trying the self help book route but some of that is not so good either. I am dealing with other issues though than you probably are. I guess what I try to do is pick whatever is good out of them and discard the rest. After reading a few of these I am thinking of trying to go the Christian self help route but there really isn't that much out there.

I think probably the only helpful healing will come from God so I don't put a lot of stock into what mankind has to say about anything. After all they are just people and what makes them so much wiser than I am? So I am hoping that Christian self help books might work if I can find any. Maybe I should figure it out and write my own book.

I did start to read a book called "The Dance of Anger" but soon decided it does not line up with my beliefs so its going to be out of here. I got bad feelings from that book, its hard to explain. I will just say I don't recommend that one. I am waiting on a different anger book I ordered to come in because I am so very angry sometimes at my husband for this second affair.

Hopes

 

[Goodbook]

The inner healing minister i talked to said he would charge $250 a session. I couldn't figure out why he would charge much...I just wonder if there's sorcery or suggestion involved, he said everyone had hurts that needed healing, but I thought we were new creatures in Christ.. Anyway, I don't like going over the past or looking back like lots wife.
I'm headed towards the nutrient route of healing. I just need doctors approval on that. I tried generic multivitamins because I was reading a lot about empowerplus because of the testimonies. Well buying all the different brands of multivits and experimenting with combos is exhausting. So it might be better to enrol in something that's proven.
Again it is also expensive but I think there can't be any harm done, with the inner healing the way you set up an appointment with jesus seems a bit new age, as I remember doing this guided meditation thing once where they tell you you meet with a wise counselor..in your minds eye. You might assume its jesus but I've never read of that happening in the New Testament where people did sessions with each other imagining jesus going over the past. We are to forget the past and not look back. I read this morning of not digging up evil in proverbs 16 vs 27

Hopes with the affair, I,m sorry to hear of your betrayal well if your husband has repented you ought to forgive him, like jesus did Peter when he denied him three times. i dont know if jesus got angry with peter, probably, he had every right,but the bible also says in your anger do not sin. I don't know your situation fully but I would just encourage you not to feel badly about yourself. I will pray and ask God to intervene and protect you with his shield.

 

[Christownsme]

This is such an interesting thread. I have bipolar and accept I'll be on medicine until God gets me off it - not me. His grace is at work in me to do what he wills.

Inner healing starts with getting in touch with reality. Reality means we're doomed in our present condition - talking about sin here, BTW. Not bipolar. Then reality allows us to see we are at a crossroad of seeking him or not to seek him. If we seek him, we find eventually that God loves us - is patient, merciful, and forgiving. We will find God this way.

All at the same time God orchestrates, by grace, a physical part to the healing, I believe. That includes a counselor to work thru our doubts, our anger, our denial, our unforgiveness, our frustration with bipolar, our frustration with life in general. God is working thru the counselor to help us understand and make sense of reality. If we need meds, he allows us to choose meds or not. Meds are preferred because even a person without bipolar can live on the meds and not be profoundly messed up. Side effects, maybe. But if God wants us to be on meds, and stay on meds, it will happen. If you make a mistake, his grace will correct the decision and he will take you off the meds.

The counselor can also work on Cognitive Behavior Therapy, learning to make new connections in the damaged or not-working frontal lobe where common sense decisions are made.

It's all a journey. Placing your trust in God to do everything you can't understand is key. Your sense of sanity will come back if you choose to seek God in your illness. Maybe not perfectly, but enough to choose to follow God or not to. And that's important.

 

[CraftyTurtle]

The ultimate reality is that if you do not believe in the particular flavour of healing on offer, then you won't be healed.
If you do put credence in it, then you will do what you are told, and it will work.

It's like the old saying: Whether you think you can, or you think you can't: you're right.

The right counsellor for YOU is one in whom you can trust. Someone who makes sense to YOU (not your neighbour, colleague, sister-in-law, but YOU)
If something feels "off", then it probably is off.

Even if something intrigues you enough to give it a try, it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it for life.

Trust your instincts. The answer is closer than you think.

 

[Loven God]

I think it is sample as if God wants to heal me He will , if not there maybe a reason why . Only God would know why and some day I will know too .

 

[Goodbook]

I went for prayer at a new church yesterday. I thought maybe elder christians prayers would be heard by God because my prayers certainly weren't. But when I got there I couldn't explain about bipolar, just that I was having problems with my walk, and pretty much my whole identity and that I wasn't having victory to the new life everyone else seemed to have. Why couldn't I just say directly I want to be healed of bipolar???? I've noticed no elders are willing to pray that with me, it all has to with trauma, wounds, soul ties, spirits of confusion, me thinking negatively, everything else skirting the issue.
Now I don't know what to do. I'm taking the supplement, but noticed no change so far. I feel like failure as a christian, like my will is paralysed or something. Or maybe something is happening, but I just can't see it. I don't like feeling like Job, being kept in the dark by God...every counselor just makes me feel worse, and its like being with Job's comforters. I've decided I'm not going to see anymore.