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Thoughts on eternity?

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Since I was a child, the thought of eternity, either in heaven or in hell always scared me. Just being somewhere for the rest of time regardless of heaven or hell always scared me. Even if I was in Heaven, it seems as though it would get 'boring' for lack of a better word.
I recently have been struggling through some hard times, and had (still having) a crisis of faith if you will. Up until a few days ago I never really believed people who said they had visions or divine dream. To be honest, I thought the people who made these claims were people just looking for attention. That changed though when I had two of the most real dreams I have ever had. In one dream, an angel or celestial being came to me and took me into clouds filled with the light of the Lord. The other was quite opposite, as i found myself in a world that had been burnt to a crisp, filled with soot, and filled with torment. Not exactly sure what they mean yet, but I did experience one thing that i could have never grasped before.
These dreams were without time. As time has always been a part of human life, experiencing a life without time was mind blowing. Im not saying i experienced what is eternity but what i am saying is i experienced what it is like to be in eternity.
For my whole life, I, and everyone who has taught me about eternity has compared it to a never ending time. Ive been told that eternity is just like time never stops. My dreams though showed me otherwise. Im not sure if any of you believe in divine dreams, as a matter of fact, I'm not even entirely sure that these were divine, however these dreams that I had did show me what it eternity would be like.
As I said, people often compare eternity with time. However from this dream i now look at eternity entirely different. I no longer compare eternity with an infinite time. "Why?", you might be thinking. This is why: In my dreams there was no concept of time, it was like i never even knew what time was. Not to get too into the logic of it but basically for events to happen and to experience things, it must mean that time is moving forward. Picture this, each event is a rung on a latter, and each step you take up the latter take time to get to the next rung. So wouldn't that have to mean eternity has to have some sort of concept of time? The experience i have had showed other wise. In order to have a dream, it must mean that events happen, as dreams are not just static images, they are experiences, things you go through, sort of like a movie, so that means time passes, right? Wrong, my dreams had events, but each event had no measure of time to it. For example in my dream, an angel/celestial being appeared to me, took my hand, placed me on its back, took me into the sky and made its way to these clouds filled with light. So the event of me flying, i experienced, but with no correlation of time. The event happened but for how long, there was no answer to. the event lasted for however long i seemed to want it to last. I think of flying though the sky with this eagle in one way and it seems like it could have been ten minutes, but i think of it again another way and it could have been 10 years. It didn't matter how long or short it took because the nature of eternity has no correlation with time.
I find the infinity sign or the number 8 to be a one of the closest ways to grasp this. Imagine there is a dot moving along the line of the number 8. It is moving, events are happening, but it doesn't stop. Another way that i could best describe it, would be like if life had a play button, fast forward button, slow motion button, and a reverse button. Imagine combining all of those buttons and what they did into one button. Like a universal speed button. It fast forwarded, slo-mo'd, reversed, and played all at the same time. Trippy, i know, but that was what it was like. It was like i could make an event last for however long i could imagine it to last, then choose to go to the next event when I wanted to. Another way i could compare this is flipping through the pages of a book. I can take my time and read every word of every page from start to finish, or i can thumb through them from start to finish in a matter of seconds, perhaps I could thumb through them from finish to start, I could even just stay on one page forever. I could read every word of the book backwards from finish to start. I could even read left to right of each page but flip the pages from finish to start, i could even read the word from right to left but starting at the first page and ending on the last page. The point I'm trying to make was that eternity isn't just like reading the book like how we were taught to read the book, (from left to right, start to finish, in chronological order) it is like any way you 'view' and 'expirence' each event. As for the fear of eternity becoming 'boring' imagine the best page of this book and the event that happens in the book. Once you read it one time, its like wow that was amazing! but the second time you read it, you already know what is going to happen because you know what will happen, so if you kept reading it over and over and over and continuously read the same page, after a while it would get really really boring and less appealing each time, to the point where you would almost become annoyed by it. However, to compare this with this abstract idea of eternity, reading the same page over and over would never get boring. Why? Because once you read this page and started reading it the second time, it would be like reading it for the first time, like you had never read it before. Each time you read it, the experience is just as good as the first. I kind of compares to the law of diminishing returns, as you keep doing something it gives you less and less of the experience each time, but throw the law of diminishing returns out the window when in eternity.


I am no expert in logic, so I don't know if this is a sound comparison. This is the best way i could possibly try to put it into words.

What are your thoughts?
 

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Try to understand your dreams in the context of the truth revealed in Scripture. Eternal Life is both everlasting and also has a quality to it that is unlike the life we are familiar with. The quality comes from being raised to new life in Christ. We have an element of the eternal as part of who we are now, although I think it is mostly hidden in this life.

Since we will be raised from the dead, time will continue to pass for us. We aren't entirely going to become timeless. One might say we aren't going to become timeless at all, but that a component of who we are is timeless ("God in us").

but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” (John 4:14, 1984 NIV)

The reference to eternal life above includes an element other than "forever." God has revealed that everyone exists forever in various places in Scripture, so there must be another difference between not having the water Jesus gives and having it. It is something that wells up over time. I think one way to describe the typical interpretation of this verse is that he is talking about the Holy Spirit given to us when we're saved—along with our transformation over time to become more like God (who is everlasting).

I had also wrote this post in another thread where you posted a copy of the OP.
 
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Since I was a child, the thought of eternity, either in heaven or in hell always scared me. Just being somewhere for the rest of time regardless of heaven or hell always scared me. Even if I was in Heaven, it seems as though it would get 'boring' for lack of a better word.
I recently have been struggling through some hard times, and had (still having) a crisis of faith if you will. Up until a few days ago I never really believed people who said they had visions or divine dream. To be honest, I thought the people who made these claims were people just looking for attention. That changed though when I had two of the most real dreams I have ever had. In one dream, an angel or celestial being came to me and took me into clouds filled with the light of the Lord. The other was quite opposite, as i found myself in a world that had been burnt to a crisp, filled with soot, and filled with torment. Not exactly sure what they mean yet, but I did experience one thing that i could have never grasped before.
These dreams were without time. As time has always been a part of human life, experiencing a life without time was mind blowing. Im not saying i experienced what is eternity but what i am saying is i experienced what it is like to be in eternity.
For my whole life, I, and everyone who has taught me about eternity has compared it to a never ending time. Ive been told that eternity is just like time never stops. My dreams though showed me otherwise. Im not sure if any of you believe in divine dreams, as a matter of fact, I'm not even entirely sure that these were divine, however these dreams that I had did show me what it eternity would be like.
As I said, people often compare eternity with time. However from this dream i now look at eternity entirely different. I no longer compare eternity with an infinite time. "Why?", you might be thinking. This is why: In my dreams there was no concept of time, it was like i never even knew what time was. Not to get too into the logic of it but basically for events to happen and to experience things, it must mean that time is moving forward. Picture this, each event is a rung on a latter, and each step you take up the latter take time to get to the next rung. So wouldn't that have to mean eternity has to have some sort of concept of time? The experience i have had showed other wise. In order to have a dream, it must mean that events happen, as dreams are not just static images, they are experiences, things you go through, sort of like a movie, so that means time passes, right? Wrong, my dreams had events, but each event had no measure of time to it. For example in my dream, an angel/celestial being appeared to me, took my hand, placed me on its back, took me into the sky and made its way to these clouds filled with light. So the event of me flying, i experienced, but with no correlation of time. The event happened but for how long, there was no answer to. the event lasted for however long i seemed to want it to last. I think of flying though the sky with this eagle in one way and it seems like it could have been ten minutes, but i think of it again another way and it could have been 10 years. It didn't matter how long or short it took because the nature of eternity has no correlation with time.
I find the infinity sign or the number 8 to be a one of the closest ways to grasp this. Imagine there is a dot moving along the line of the number 8. It is moving, events are happening, but it doesn't stop. Another way that i could best describe it, would be like if life had a play button, fast forward button, slow motion button, and a reverse button. Imagine combining all of those buttons and what they did into one button. Like a universal speed button. It fast forwarded, slo-mo'd, reversed, and played all at the same time. Trippy, i know, but that was what it was like. It was like i could make an event last for however long i could imagine it to last, then choose to go to the next event when I wanted to. Another way i could compare this is flipping through the pages of a book. I can take my time and read every word of every page from start to finish, or i can thumb through them from start to finish in a matter of seconds, perhaps I could thumb through them from finish to start, I could even just stay on one page forever. I could read every word of the book backwards from finish to start. I could even read left to right of each page but flip the pages from finish to start, i could even read the word from right to left but starting at the first page and ending on the last page. The point I'm trying to make was that eternity isn't just like reading the book like how we were taught to read the book, (from left to right, start to finish, in chronological order) it is like any way you 'view' and 'expirence' each event. As for the fear of eternity becoming 'boring' imagine the best page of this book and the event that happens in the book. Once you read it one time, its like wow that was amazing! but the second time you read it, you already know what is going to happen because you know what will happen, so if you kept reading it over and over and over and continuously read the same page, after a while it would get really really boring and less appealing each time, to the point where you would almost become annoyed by it. However, to compare this with this abstract idea of eternity, reading the same page over and over would never get boring. Why? Because once you read this page and started reading it the second time, it would be like reading it for the first time, like you had never read it before. Each time you read it, the experience is just as good as the first. I kind of compares to the law of diminishing returns, as you keep doing something it gives you less and less of the experience each time, but throw the law of diminishing returns out the window when in eternity.


I am no expert in logic, so I don't know if this is a sound comparison. This is the best way i could possibly try to put it into words.

What are your thoughts?


I am going to post more concerning the OP, but I want to make an important point on time in relation to your discovery.

Time is an evolution of events. It is man made. There is no such thing as time. We think of time in seconds, or how long something takes to change into a different state (an eye blink, walking one foot, formation of a planet.)

But, a second is, as said before, literally an evolution of events. The SI unit of a second is 9,000,000,000 hyperfine transitions in the Cesium-133 atom. That is it. That is what we base our calculations and the "dimension" of time on.

Time is dimensionless: in physics it can be referred to as a phase dimension, but physicists tend to view the second as real as a spacial dimension (when, it the evolution of displacement in many spacial dimensions established.)

In the REAL WORLD - spiritual world - there is no time because time is not an artifact or dimension that is qualified.

Even death is an evolution of events.

We are in eternity now, which is why it is such a big deal when God says fear the one who can destroy the spirit! (If spirit is energy, clearly by the laws of physics it can't be destroyed. However, if there is One who can destroy energy, He should be feared/revered.)

This implies not even the most powerful archons, angels and powers can destroy spirit.

When in the spirit, often it is said you see clearly. Comparing this with how stressed mortal creatures are about time, it is no wonder why we are often blind to more important things. (This also gives insight on the amount of rebellion one has to have as a celestial if it can perceive eternity, and still decides to rebel against the One who can destroy spirits/fundamental "energy.")

To quote "The Fifth Element" archon: "Time not important; only life."

Your dreams sound interesting. Have you asked God for clarification and wisdom on them?
 
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tatterdsoul, i have posted on a few different forums threads my dream in vivid detail, you should read them and maybe you can help with some clarification, a few people have tried to explain them, but i don't know, i just get a lot of answers like "this thing/event is symbolic of so and so" kind of answers. Would you take a look on my profile and read these dreams I've had?
 
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Dear cjohn198. We don`t know eternity yet, but eternity with God and our Christian brothers and sisters will be wonderful. Jesus gives us good advice.
In Matthew 22: 35-40: we are told: " The first and great Commandment is:
Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. Love God and love each other, what could be greater? In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told:
Ask and receive, we ask for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. We keep asking and receiving, then share all love and joy with all around us. God will see our loving efforts, and God will keep blessing us, what is more wonderful?
The Bible tells us to love and care for each other, to enjoy God and follow Jesus back to our Heavenly Father. The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, what could be greater? Eternity with God our Heavenly Father and Jesus our Saviour leading us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us and carry on loving and caring. I say this with love, cjohn. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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