Thoughts and questions about Martin Luther

[The Gryphon]

What do you think about blood relatives being cut off from Israel if not circumcised? And then Jesus abolishing circumcision on the cross. Which would mean all unbelieving Jews became gentiles by default?

Now you want to argue religion which I will not enter into with you, Dave. I fear not those that can kill the body but rather He that can issue the second death. Even you Dave have said the "real Jews" are those of faith in Yeshua (Jesus) as only those than come to the Father through Him find salvation. Wide is the path that leads to destruction but narrow is the path that leads to salvation and few there are that find it. G_d is the Judge Dave that sees the Heart and the true motivations of every person. How many Jews through the centuries were forced into false conversions (some given the choice of conversion or death), Jews had their children taken from them at an early age by force and educated as Christians (did the Jews do that to Christians?), Jews were rounded up by Christian Crusaders and burned alive in their Synagogues in the name of Jesus Christ hardly Christ like actions. We could go on and on like this for months but what does it profit Dave? Jesus came to the Jews first. Their rejection by majority opened up salvation to the rest of the world yet the Church was founded by Jews, the books of the Bible including the New Testament were written by Jews, and all the earliest Church Fathers were Jews. They are the foundational ROOT upon which we non-Jews are graphed into. Without them we would have nothing, no hope and no salvation, because through them salvation came! Do we not owe a debt to reach those among them that are open still to His message as there were those when Jesus walked the land of Israel calling Jews to "Follow Me". He did not call gentiles Dave as all His disciples were Jews even Saul of Tarsus who later became a follower of Jesus was a Jew. Paul the Apostle, commonly known as Saint Paul and also known by his Jewish name Saul of Tarsus, was an apostle who taught the gospel of Christ to the first-century world. That is why I am continually pounding his Romans 11 specifically speaking about the Jews. I want to reason with you Dave not argue religion with you.

I personally I identify with many things about Paul as I was most unworthy of salvation and yet where sin abounds grace abounds more. I have been studying both Judaism and Islam for many years and understand I am but a novice in much of my understanding and yet compared to many "Christians" I have understanding to offer.

 

[The Gryphon]

Romans 11:25-32 King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[The Gryphon]

So many Christians forget Jesus own words before His Death on the Cross that He gave to His Disciples.

Matthew
Chapter 10: verses 5-42
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

When you put the above together with Paul's Chapter 11 a much clearer picture comes into focus.