thought for the day

[Chalnoth]

that is false ,science does not answer how life first started, it only seeks to explain for the diversity of life, and even that is only answered by theorys and ideas that can never be fully tested or proven beyond a reasonable doubt

You're confusing evolution with all of science. Abiogenesis studies how life first started, and we certainly have some glimpses. But it's really irrelevant where life first started to explain where we came from. For a good popular description of this, just head out to:
http://www.becominghuman.org/
And yes, it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Those that doubt evolution have unreasonable doubts.

and yes you are right that the picture cosmology gives us is very weak,
how can science ever answer the question of where matter and the universe and life comes from or how it is formed, it never will,

Incomplete perhaps. But very weak? That's a stretch.

Oh, and by the way, we already know where matter comes from. The protons, neutrons, and electrons that make up the matter that we know and love condensed out of the quark-gluon plasma that made up the early universe, rather like how water droplets condense on a cold glass. The quark-gluon plasma itself came from the high temperature conditions left over from cosmic inflation. The reason why there's so much of it, fundamentally, is that the energy in the matter fields is offset by the potential energy in gravity: the total energy of our region of the universe is identically zero. The stuff that generated the matter was, in essence, generated from the expansion of the universe due to its own gravity.

Where did inflation come from? Well, we don't yet know. We don't even yet know exactly what inflation was, but we have experiments currently underway to discovery precisely that. We don't yet know just how much we will be capable of discovering in the future.

not at all, the big question is "how" did it happen,
and i predict that science will never explain it or understand it, people think that science explains everything, but in reality we dont even know how the brain and the mind work ,all we have is an unproven theory full of holes and gaps and critical errors

Science already explains much, much more than you are aware of. Instead of wallowing in ignorance, why not embrace the beauty of the universe around you by learning something about what we currently know of it? And as for your "holes and gaps and critical errors", any knowledge of science is completely and utterly useless without also knowing why we are so sure that various propositions are correct.

 

[juvenissun]

I would say "praise to God", except that your 'god' doesn't exist.
I praise Wakan Tanka every day for our world, universe and existence.

What did Wakan Tanka say about the existence of this universe? Did he (she?) create it? Any description on the process or the procedure?

 

[kangitanka]

What did Wakan Tanka say about the existence of this universe? Did he (she?) create it? Any description on the process or the procedure?

You mean like your book, written by humans, for humans?

 

[juvenissun]

Originally Posted by juvenissun
What did Wakan Tanka say about the existence of this universe? Did he (she?) create it? Any description on the process or the procedure?

You mean like your book, written by humans, for humans?

No. I mean how do you understand what is the teaching of Wakan Tanka on this subject? And if you do, what does Wakan Tanka say? In fact, I did not even ask the first question, but only the second one. You do not have to tell me how do you understand, but just what do you understand.

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I start to be suspicious on your Wakan Tanka. It will become more obvious if you do not tell anything about him (her?). If the disclosure on anything about him is forbidden, you could simply say so.

Someone could say that Kawan Katan is his god but knows nothing about the god.

 

[TeddyKGB]

also i didnt mean to say that the knowledge of astronomy and coasmology is useless, far from it, but it is useless in answering the big question

There is demonstrably no singular "big question."

 

[Naraoia]

that is false ,science does not answer how life first started,

Not definitively (Yet. I wouldn't bet a huge amount against it, though)

it only seeks to explain for the diversity of life,

Now that's false. Or am I imagining all the research related to abiogenesis hypotheses?

and even that is only answered by theorys and ideas that can never be fully tested or proven beyond a reasonable doubt

You must have an interesting idea of reasonable doubt.

and yes you are right that the picture cosmology gives us is very weak,
how can science ever answer the question of where matter and the universe and life comes from or how it is formed,

By looking at the world, using it to build models, predict stuff and check if the predictions are correct. You know, exactly the way it answers the more mundane questions.

it never will,

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible" - Lord Kelvin.

not at all, the big question is "how" did it happen,
and i predict that science will never explain it or understand it,

The "how" is exactly what science is best at explaining.

people think that science explains everything,

Well, I for one am not one of those people. It doesn't adequately explain many things, and I bet that when those things are explained there will be at least as many new mysteries to explain.

but in reality we dont even know how the brain and the mind work ,

Don't even know? As far as I understand, the brain (especially a complex one like ours) is among the most complex systems in the universe. I wouldn't say I'm surprised we can't fully explain that yet.

all we have is an unproven theory full of holes and gaps and critical errors

Precisely which theory are you referring to?

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I share your awe at the cosmos. And for me, awe is what triggers me to try and understand its object. That's definitely a major reason why I'm a scientist in training.

I wonder.

Do you want to understand the universe? Life? Do you wish you knew the answers? Or is your awe slaughtered by understanding?

 

[JGL53]

The Universe is god - or Brahman if you will - just like the Hindus have been saying for 5,000 years.

Case closed.

 

[kangitanka]

No. I mean how do you understand what is the teaching of Wakan Tanka on this subject? And if you do, what does Wakan Tanka say? In fact, I did not even ask the first question, but only the second one. You do not have to tell me how do you understand, but just what do you understand.

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I start to be suspicious on your Wakan Tanka. It will become more obvious if you do not tell anything about him (her?). If the disclosure on anything about him is forbidden, you could simply say so.

Someone could say that Kawan Katan is his god but knows nothing about the god.

Re-read my first post on this thread.
Re-read it and understand it.
Then you will see that my point was (so to say) here at X and you missed it by a few feet to the right.
IOW, if my point is HERE, then you bashed your head at least three feet to either side of it, and missed the actual point and target.


Reading comprehension is your friend.

And if you'd like to debate "knowing" anything about any persons given deity, then this is the WRONG forum, boy

 

[kangitanka]

the fact that you can say with such confidence that there is no god...

Once again, I must bring up reading comprehension*.
Since you seem to be incapable of even comprehending my simple little post, what make you think that you have ANY capability of criticizing the ToE?
If you are incapable of actually comprehending my simple little post......well, quite frankly your opinion regarding scientific theories matters not one whit.

Have fun with your teenage-minded hubris.


* I never said there was no god. The fact that you "read" that speaks of your intellectual capability and comprehension level. And don't cop out by saying something such as "Oops, I misunderstood you". My post was quite clear regarding deities.

 

[juvenissun]

Re-read my first post on this thread.
Re-read it and understand it.
Then you will see that my point was (so to say) here at X and you missed it by a few feet to the right.
IOW, if my point is HERE, then you bashed your head at least three feet to either side of it, and missed the actual point and target.


Reading comprehension is your friend.

And if you'd like to debate "knowing" anything about any persons given deity, then this is the WRONG forum, boy

What if I could not see your point? Would you care to explain? Are you sure that I could not understand even if you do explain it a little bit more? I have nothing to debate about if I don't even know what your point is.

More specifically, what is the view of your god on the origin of the universe?