Thoughs of the tribulation

[BABerean2]

When Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the "abomination of desolation", He was pointing directly to the idol abomination the "vile person" will place on the Temple Mount.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
KJV

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
KJV

So to deny that's what Jesus was talking about from the Book of Daniel is to mock Him and call Him a liar.

"Whoso readeth, let him understand", can only be understood by reading John 10:22.

It would have been understood by every Jew that lived during the time of Christ, but seems to be a complete mystery to many modern Christians.

The word "Hanukkah" means "dedication".


Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

The Book of Daniel contains one of the most amazing prophecies in the Bible.
Its fulfillment is revealed by a good book on the history of the Middle East.

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[Stone Chapel]

Do you mean, at the Battle of Armageddon?


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

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So, you are sure that the Tribulation and Armageddon are both concomitant, if not coextensive?

 

[BABerean2]

So, you are sure that the Tribulation and Armageddon are both concomitant, if not coextensive?

The return of Christ is the end.
It is the "last day".
It is the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.

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[FutureAndAHope]

But I think that Armageddon will have every semblance of another "Cold War", and it certainly will be global.

Unlike WWW & WWII, most of the global conflict would be outwardly manifest by propaganda and psychological warfare, as opposed to any real physical violence (and the resultant carnage, death and destruction).

Thus, the "Sword of Christ" (Matthew 10:34) and the "Rider on a White Horse with his armies in heaven" (Revelation 19) are to be seen in purely figurative terms.

The carnage, death and destruction mentioned in Isaiah 24:5-6 is regarding the Tribulation, which will come after the War of Armageddon.

This global conflict would entail little to no physical violence, but most of the struggle would take place on a purely psychological level.

Hi,

The bible is clear that there will be a real war. See the following scriptures:

Mat 24:6-7 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end. For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;

Luk 21:10-11 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.

Dan 7:5 And, behold, another beast, a second, like to a bear; and it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Rev 6:2-8 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, Come. And another horse came forth, a red horse: and to him that sat thereon it was given to take peace from the earth, and that they should slay one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a black horse; and he that sat thereon had a balance in his hand. And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not. And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

 

[seventysevens]

The return of Christ is the end.
It is the "last day".
It is the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.

Wrong - Jesus reigns for 1000 years while satan is imprisoned , after satan is thrown into the lake of fire then the judgment of the dead happens and not before
but since you refuse to believe that Jesus reigns in His Kingdom on earth you are deceived

 

[Micah888]

The following is just my opinion, and could be wrong. But I believe that we are soon to enter the time of tribulation explained in the book of revelation in the bible, starting with a global war.

I believe you are wrong on two counts:

1. The Tribulation is NOT for the children of God.

2. A global war does NOT trigger the Tribulation.

If you wish to see what triggers the Tribulation, study Revelation 12 and 13.

 

[David Kent]

When Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel about the "abomination of desolation", He was pointing directly to the idol abomination the "vile person" will place on the Temple Mount.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.KJV
Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
KJV

So to deny that's what Jesus was talking about from the Book of Daniel is to mock Him and call Him a liar.

I did not say that Jesus was not quoting from Daniel.

I referred to the fact that you are adding to scripture then, and still are. It does not say that the AoD was an idol, or that the vile person would set it up.

• Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.) KJV Hidden meaning
• Mark 13:14 ¶ But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) Hidden meaning then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
• Luke 21:20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, Plain speech then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

The abomination of desolation was the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem. The Christians at the time understood that and fled.

• Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. KJV

From the time that the Roman armies surrounded (compassed) Jerusalem till the day the sacrifice failed was 1290 days. Josephus gives the dates. Read it and check it out.

 

[BABerean2]

Wrong - Jesus reigns for 1000 years while satan is imprisoned , after satan is thrown into the lake of fire then the judgment of the dead happens and not before
but since you refuse to believe that Jesus reigns in His Kingdom on earth you are deceived

Do you believe that the Son of God, who defeated sin and death at Calvary, will be conducting funeral services for mortals during a period of 1,000 years after His return?

Do you believe there will be renewed animal sacrifices in a man-made temple for 1,000 years after His return (Hebrews 10:16-18) ?


The verse below reveals the fact that the judgment in Revelation chapter 20 is not in chronological order.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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[BABerean2]

1. The Tribulation is NOT for the children of God.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a child of God.
See Galatians 3:16-29.

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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[FutureAndAHope]

I believe you are wrong on two counts:

1. The Tribulation is NOT for the children of God.

2. A global war does NOT trigger the Tribulation.

If you wish to see what triggers the Tribulation, study Revelation 12 and 13.

If you look at the order of things according to the gospels and the book of revelation combined you will see it does start with a global war.

And according to Jesus we will go through the tribulation as well.

THE WAR

Mat 24:6-7 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end. For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;

Luk 21:10-11 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.


Rev 6:2-8 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, Come. And another horse came forth, a red horse: and to him that sat thereon it was given to take peace from the earth, and that they should slay one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a black horse; and he that sat thereon had a balance in his hand. And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not. And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

CHURCH PERCICUTED 1st TIME

Mat 24:9-13 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake. And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another. But take ye heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in synagogues shall ye be beaten; and before governors and kings shall ye stand for my sake, for a testimony unto them. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12-13 But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name's sake. It shall turn out unto you for a testimony.

Rev 6:9-11 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.



Instructions:

Mar 13:11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 21:14-15 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay.

ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION 2nd CHURCH PERCECUTION

Dan 11:30-31 For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and shall return, and have indignation against the holy covenant, and shall do his pleasure: he shall even return, and have regard unto them that forsake the holy covenant. And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate.



Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),



Mar 13:14-17 But when ye see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: and let him that is on the housetop not go down, nor enter in, to take anything out of his house: and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak. But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!



Luk 21:22 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.



Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Dan 11:33-37 And they that are wise among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help; but many shall join themselves unto them with flatteries. And some of them that are wise shall fall, to refine them, and to purify, and to make them white, even to the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods; and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.

Rev 13:15-18 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

JESUS DOES NOT RETURN UNTIL AFTER THE TRIBULATION

Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 13:26-27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[seventysevens]

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.
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Again your lack of understanding is revealed - if a bomb if dropped on your neighbor and it also destroys your house - it was not intended for you but you suffer for it anyway

 

[Davy]

I did not say that Jesus was not quoting from Daniel.

I referred to the fact that you are adding to scripture then, and still are. It does not say that the AoD was an idol, or that the vile person would set it up.

• Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.) KJV Hidden meaning
• Mark 13:14 ¶ But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) Hidden meaning then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
• Luke 21:20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, Plain speech then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

The abomination of desolation was the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem. The Christians at the time understood that and fled.

• Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. KJV

From the time that the Roman armies surrounded (compassed) Jerusalem till the day the sacrifice failed was 1290 days. Josephus gives the dates. Read it and check it out.

The "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel is about the placing of an idol in false worship at the temple in Jerusalem. Antiochus IV was the blueprint for it in 165 B.C. He took Jerusalem with an army, ended the daily sacrifice, and setup an idol abomination to Zeus worship. Revelation 13 shows us about the image of the beast being setup for the end of this world, which is that abomination idol of our future in Jerusalem.

 

[David Kent]

The "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Dani[/B]iochus IV was the blueprint for it in 165 B.C. He took Jerusalem with an army, ended the daily sacrifice , and setup an idol abomination to Zeus worship. Revelation 13 shows us about the image of the beast being setup for the end of this world, which is that abomination idol of our future in Jerusalem.

You really don't get it. Nebuchadnezzar's armies desolated Jerusalem. The armies of Titus desolated Jerusalem. Antiochus desecrated the temple.

• 20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

The AoD was the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem with their Eagle and ensigns. When they took the temple, they sacrificed to their ensigns in the Holy place, What more could there be?

 

[seventysevens]

• 20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

What more could there be?

You really don't get it. well there could be a better understanding on your part
You really don't get it, the Book of the Revelation of Jesus also reveals the same thing happening to Jerusalem
now you may be fooled like some others that suppose Revelation has already happened even though that is impossible - Ezekiel also describes the End Times with the same scenario
Ecclesiastes 1:9
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New Living Translation (NLT)
9 History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[David Kent]

Revelation is a history of the church written in advance, from the time of John, "The things that are" through history, "The things which are to come." It is shown by signs or figures, Revelation 1:1. It was written to the church and concerns only the church.

 

[seventysevens]

Revelation is a history of the church written in advance, from the time of John, "The things that are" through history, "The things which are to come." It is shown by signs or figures, Revelation 1:1. It was written to the church and concerns only the church.

history written in advance well er yeah in the future years to come and after those future prophecies have happened , after which they will be seen as history

 

[Davy]

You really don't get it. Nebuchadnezzar's armies desolated Jerusalem. The armies of Titus desolated Jerusalem. Antiochus desecrated the temple.

• 20 ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

The AoD was the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem with their Eagle and ensigns. When they took the temple, they sacrificed to their ensigns in the Holy place, What more could there be?

You're not getting it.

The "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel, specifically in Dan.11:31, is about the spiritual desolation of the sanctuary in Jerusalem, meaning a Jewish temple:

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
KJV

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

2 Thess 2:9-10
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
KJV

Rev 13:13-14
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

That's all about the same Antichrist coming at the very end of this world to Jerusalem to sit in a new temple the orthodox Jews today plan to build.

 

[BABerean2]

You're not getting it.

The "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel, specifically in Dan.11:31, is about the spiritual desolation of the sanctuary in Jerusalem, meaning a Jewish temple:

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
KJV

John 10:22
(CJB) Then came Hanukkah in Yerushalayim. It was winter,

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(Greek NT TR) εγενετο δε τα εγκαινια εν τοις ιεροσολυμοις και χειμων ην

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(LITV-TSP) And the Feast of Dedication took place in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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[Stone Chapel]

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[Stone Chapel]

Hi,

The bible is clear that there will be a real war. See the following scriptures:

Mat 24:6-7 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end. For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;

Luk 21:10-11 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.

Dan 7:5 And, behold, another beast, a second, like to a bear; and it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Rev 6:2-8 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, Come. And another horse came forth, a red horse: and to him that sat thereon it was given to take peace from the earth, and that they should slay one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a black horse; and he that sat thereon had a balance in his hand. And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not. And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

If you look at the order of things according to the gospels and the book of revelation combined you will see it does start with a global war.

And according to Jesus we will go through the tribulation as well.

THE WAR

Mat 24:6-7 And news will come to you of wars and talk of wars: do not be troubled, for these things have to be; but it is still not the end. For nation will be moved against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and men will be without food, and the earth will be shaking in different places;

Luk 21:10-11 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be great earthquakes, and in divers places famines and pestilences; and there shall be terrors and great signs from heaven.


Rev 6:2-8 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, Come. And another horse came forth, a red horse: and to him that sat thereon it was given to take peace from the earth, and that they should slay one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a black horse; and he that sat thereon had a balance in his hand. And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not. And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a pale horse: and he that sat upon him, his name was Death; and Hades followed with him. And there was given unto them authority over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with famine, and with death, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

CHURCH PERCICUTED 1st TIME

Mat 24:9-13 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake. And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another. But take ye heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in synagogues shall ye be beaten; and before governors and kings shall ye stand for my sake, for a testimony unto them. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12-13 But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name's sake. It shall turn out unto you for a testimony.

Rev 6:9-11 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.



Instructions:

Mar 13:11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 21:14-15 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay.

ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION 2nd CHURCH PERCECUTION

Dan 11:30-31 For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and shall return, and have indignation against the holy covenant, and shall do his pleasure: he shall even return, and have regard unto them that forsake the holy covenant. And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate.



Mat 24:15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),



Mar 13:14-17 But when ye see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: and let him that is on the housetop not go down, nor enter in, to take anything out of his house: and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak. But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!



Luk 21:22 But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.



Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.



Dan 11:33-37 And they that are wise among the people shall instruct many; yet they shall fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with a little help; but many shall join themselves unto them with flatteries. And some of them that are wise shall fall, to refine them, and to purify, and to make them white, even to the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods; and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall magnify himself above all.

Rev 13:15-18 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image of the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

JESUS DOES NOT RETURN UNTIL AFTER THE TRIBULATION

Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 13:26-27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send forth the angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So, then I suppose all of this ties in with Revelation 19:13 - Since the Rider on a White horse is clearly Christ the King, who is the Word of God, and he has blood stained clothing to indicate real bloodshed?