Thou shall not kill?

[14Joe888]

So thats something for christians to live by, and most others. But im pretty sure some christians have gone to war in Iraq. Dunno if im making a point, or asking a question say...Do they repent off this and their a winner, or maybe im way to wasted. Anyway, has anyone been watching lost on E4? pretty gripping im sure you'll agree. chow.

 

[Abbadon]

It's "Thou shalt not murder." Not "Thou shalt not kill."

You kill bacteria just living. You kill plants and animals to eat. Generic killing's nothing. Murder is what's wrong.

 

[momalle1]

It's "Thou shalt not murder." Not "Thou shalt not kill."

You kill bacteria just living. You kill plants and animals to eat. Generic killing's nothing. Murder is what's wrong.

Do you have a bible that say Thou Shalt Not Murder? I understand the translation from Hebrew, I have many friends whos primary language is Hebrew, but I've never seen an English Bible that says murder.

 

[Pinp]

say...Do they repent off this and their a winner, or maybe im way to wasted.

Perhaps you should let your head clear up a bit before asking the deeper questions

 

[Yusuf Evans]

There are distiungishing difference's when referring to killing. Just because it's says not to kill in the Bible, does not literally refer to all killing. It represents murder according to the Hebrew translation.

 

[Abbadon]

Do you have a bible that say Thou Shalt Not Murder? I understand the translation from Hebrew, I have many friends whos primary language is Hebrew, but I've never seen an English Bible that says murder.

If it weren't, God ordered the ancient Hebrews to sin frequently, such as when David killed Goliath.

And whenever we eat.

The Message translation, as well as the Literal Translation, the Jewish Publication Society Translation, Contemporary English Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible, God's Word translation, the Holman Christian Standard Bible, Hebrew Names Version, the World English Bible, and Young's Literal Translation all say murder.

The Basic Bible in English says "Do not put anyone to death without cause."

 

[Aimee30]

Actually, we should be referring to the New Testament if we want to ask questions like this, like when Jesus told us to love our enemies. I fail to see how I can love my enemy by killing him. Maybe they believe loving your neighbor takes precedence, I don't know.
I don't try to validate the war in Iraq by what someone said God told him. I don't use the Old Testament to justify things I believe the coming of Jesus changed. I believe the war in Iraq is more of a government thing and Christians should probably pray for it to be over soon.
I guess it all boils down to what you believe--I'm not so sure I shouldn't defend myself if someone attacks me but some believe that is what Jesus wants them to do.
In that instance, I wouldn't be against someone defending him/herself against an attacker, because I don't know how one would serve God's purposes if he/she were dead.

 

[momalle1]

If it weren't, God ordered the ancient Hebrews to sin frequently, such as when David killed Goliath.

And whenever we eat.

The Message translation, as well as the Literal Translation, the Jewish Publication Society Translation, Contemporary English Version, English Standard Version, Good News Bible, God's Word translation, the Holman Christian Standard Bible, Hebrew Names Version, the World English Bible, and Young's Literal Translation all say murder.

The Basic Bible in English says "Do not put anyone to death without cause."

I agree, and I'm not aware of any church that has adopted a bible with "death without cause" or "murder" in it.

You would agree the Bible is not literal? At least in English.

 

[Garnett]

That's right 14Joe888, they just get a new version of the bible written that conforms to their prejudices and what they would have done anyway, and then they can say God sanctions their actions - that way you can kill who you want, pick and choose which of Jesus's lessons to follow and generally fit the religion around you rather than anything as onerous as the other way round - Do you see how certain people get Christianity to work for them now, 14Joe888?

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

So thats something for christians to live by, and most others. But im pretty sure some christians have gone to war in Iraq. Dunno if im making a point, or asking a question say...Do they repent off this and their a winner, or maybe im way to wasted. Anyway, has anyone been watching lost on E4? pretty gripping im sure you'll agree. chow.

It's actually Thou Shalt not murder, if you look at the Hebrew root...it's murder in that instance, not just killing.

 

[MethodMan]

I agree, and I'm not aware of any church that has adopted a bible with "death without cause" or "murder" in it.

You would agree the Bible is not literal? At least in English.

Exo 20:13 "You shall not murder. ESV

Used by pastors in the UMC WPA conference as well as local Baptists

Exo 20:13 Do not murder. CEV

EX 20:13 "You shall not murder. NIV

Use in MANY UMC as pew Bibles all throughtout the WPC.

 

[Kgreg]

My Revised Standard Version: You shall not kill.

My New American Standard: You shall not murder.

Even NOT being under the Law, I understand that God's instruction to the ancient Hebrews was not to murder someone, or in other words, not to kill someone without cause.

 

[14Joe888]

thanks for rounding that up garnett. Gonna start my own religion founded on everything Jesus was as a person. Love each other, YAY sunshine!

 

[momalle1]

Exo 20:13 "You shall not murder. ESV

Used by pastors in the UMC WPA conference as well as local Baptists

Exo 20:13 Do not murder. CEV

EX 20:13 "You shall not murder. NIV

Use in MANY UMC as pew Bibles all throughtout the WPC.

Thanks, it's rather obvious, after reading the rest of the Bible, the intention is murder, not kill.

Not touching the question about the bible being literal? Chickens!

 

[MethodMan]

Not touching the question about the bible being literal? Chickens!

It is quite literal.

 

[armyman_83]

Thou shalt not kill*

*ratsach {raw-tsakh'}


1) to murder, slay, kill
a) (Qal) to murder, slay
1) premeditated
2) accidental
3) as avenger
4) slayer (intentional) (participle)
b) (Niphal) to be slain
c) (Piel)
1) to murder, assassinate 2) murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)

Even the greek has different words for kill, as well.

When Christ said: Thou shalt not kill**; and whosoever shall kill** shall be in danger of the judgement.

**phoneuo {fon-yoo'-o}

1) to kill, slay, murder 2) to commit murder

 

[momalle1]

It is quite literal.

All of it?

The most widely accepted bibles say kill, have those churches accepted the wrong bible? Serioulsy, it says Thou Shalt Not Kill, if it's to be taken literally, there are no two ways about that line.

 

[MethodMan]

All of it?

The most widely accepted bibles say kill, have those churches accepted the wrong bible? Serioulsy, it says Thou Shalt Not Kill, if it's to be taken literally, there are no two ways about that line.

I didn't realize that "literal" meant to ignore context.

 

[Abbadon]

You would agree the Bible is not literal? At least in English.

Well, as it's a literary work, so it's literal. Just like A Tale of Two Cities. But should we just take it at face value and not think about it? Should we ignore any esoteric and philosophical truths by not looking any further than a single value for the translated word of the translated word of the translated word? I think not. Turns people into pharisees.

I didn't realize that "literal" meant to ignore context.

Maybe it's just a problem living in the Bible Belt, but most people that have told me to take the Bible literally got mad whenever I took something in context.

 

[momalle1]

I didn't realize that "literal" meant to ignore context.

There is no context in the simple sentence "Thou Shalt Not Kill"


That is what the word means though.

lit·er·al (lĭt'ər-əl)

adj.

1. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
2. Word for word; verbatim: a literal translation.
3. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: a literal description; a literal mind.
4. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: literal notation.
5. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.