Those who denounce Paul

[ananda]

Mainstream Christian denominations are built upon Christ not upon the shoulders of Paul. The epistles of Paul are part of the canon of the mainstream churches. Its teachings are part of the corpus of scripture, not the sole teachings.

I suggest that mainstream Christianity is built directly (and largely) on Paul's interpretation of Messiah. This is my personal observation.

 

[Hentenza]

I suggest that mainstream Christianity is built directly (and largely) on Paul's interpretation of Messiah. This is my personal observation.

Your personal observation is wrong.

 

[ananda]

Your personal observation is wrong.

How can a personal observation be "wrong"? It just "is". Unless compared to something else, and I'm not comparing my observation to anything else.

 

[Hentenza]

How can a personal observation be "wrong"? It just "is". Unless compared to something else, and I'm not comparing my observation to anything else.

Observation made using incorrect data lead to incorrect conclusions.

 

[Messy]

is he writing food laws on our hearts? Do we have to keep jeeish festivals, stoned if we wrok on the sabbath? Why were the jewish christians in antioch, peter, barnabas, etc, living as gentiles? if the full torah was written on hearts, how could they live as gentiles?

We serve in the new state of the Spirit. Love the Lord with all your heart is written on your heart.
We just believe it is fulfilled. So not eating kosher, but believing God said to Peter the gentiles are kosher and the food, so we can eat what we want. Instead of circumcision of the flesh, circumcision of the heart. Not keeping the sabbath, but entering His rest the whole week long. Not bringing offers, because of Jesus' offer. The soul that sins must die. An adulterer must be stoned. We repent and are crucified with Christ.
Just my two cents though.

 

[ananda]

Observation made using incorrect data lead to incorrect conclusions.

And if I believe my data is correct, and yours is incorrect?

 

[Hentenza]

And if I believe my data is correct, and yours is incorrect?

lol I have centuries of mainstream Christian evidence to back my data. You have what, a couple of gnostic groups?

 

[ananda]

lol I have centuries of mainstream Christian evidence to back my data. You have what, a couple of gnostic groups?

"Gnostic" is so-called only in the eyes of "mainstream" Christianity!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's pretty obvious that if Paul wasn't in the scriptures there will be a massive change in the understanding of the gospel and Christian living; so, what do you make of the people who denounce Paul? They claim that there was many errors in the passages he partaken in the bible and to the others that claim that he was a false apostle and what is your take on Paul?

To back-track. Recently I've got into a small discussion or a light-debate with someone about the law and the teachings of Paul. Basically this person has said that we are to follow the Ten Commandments and that there is no "new law" and that the "old law hasn't been done away with" as Paul and the writer of Hebrews stated against. This person has also claimed that Paul had no right to change anything written in Scriptures and then this person has also claimed that Paul was a follower of the original law. These are some notable quotes from the person: "Paul isn't my Deity. He didn't try to be either." "The problem is with translation and traditions of men. They sucked me in, too, for a long time. If you will get online and research the ways language translations and traditions of men are twisting Paul's words, you will, I believe, learn a lot."

Well the way Paul put it ..

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21)

 

[Frogster]

That would be an easy answer.

Those denominations or sects that allow gays into the clergy.
Sects or denominations that accept Paul's teachings, which include condemnation of homosexuality, do not. Therefore, those sects that do marry homosexuals, or permit non-celibate homosexuals into the clergy are rejecting the apostle Paul and his teachings which he allege arrived through Christ.




Acts 17:11(NIV)


11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

what, oh what, are you talking about?


1.1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

2.1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

 

[Frogster]

I suggest that mainstream Christianity is built directly (and largely) on Paul's interpretation of Messiah. This is my personal observation.

how about you finally give us facts, that show Peter at odds with paul on doctrine...

 

[Hentenza]

"Gnostic" is so-called only in the eyes of "mainstream" Christianity!

Tis is really funny.

 

[Frogster]

We serve in the new state of the Spirit. Love the Lord with all your heart is written on your heart.
We just believe it is fulfilled. So not eating kosher, but believing God said to Peter the gentiles are kosher and the food, so we can eat what we want. Instead of circumcision of the flesh, circumcision of the heart. Not keeping the sabbath, but entering His rest the whole week long. Not bringing offers, because of Jesus' offer. The soul that sins must die. An adulterer must be stoned. We repent and are crucified with Christ.
Just my two cents though.

i understand but people in the mj movement, think it sin if we don't keep festivals, and eat pork, lobster, catfish, shrimp, crab, etc, while they say, those laws are wirtten on our hearts too.

 

[Messy]

"Gnostic" is so-called only in the eyes of "mainstream" Christianity!

No I know one atheist who says Paul was gnostic. Never heard of it before he mentioned it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Well one might think "intellectual assent" christianity isn't all that different from gnosticism .

 

[from scratch]

what, oh what, are you talking about?


1.1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

2.1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

I was wondering myself. Looks like thread derailment to me.

 

[Frogster]

I was wondering myself. Looks like thread derailment to me.

good point!

 

[ananda]

Tis is really funny.

What's funnier is assuming that the establishment is correct without testing their claims!

 

[ananda]

No I know one atheist who says Paul was gnostic. Never heard of it before he mentioned it.

Many define "gnostic" broadly as those who de-emphasize the flesh in favor of the spirit, so I can see how some see Paul as the father of gnostic Christianity.

 

[Hentenza]

What's funnier is assuming that the establishment is correct without testing their claims!

As I said, your historical evidence for your belief is as skimpy as your NT.