Those unions watching out for their workers...

[variant]

Greed and envy of executive pay will always be prevalent among those who have no experience in such positions.

I'm sure the executives will be treated just as harshly as the workers in this case?

You know the people whose management bankrupted this company in the first place and who could not find any way to continue without reducing wages and benefits over and over?

Gave themselves a massive pay raise earlier this year you say?

I am actually quite sure I AM capable of running a company into the ground for a seven figure salary.

 

[Steve Petersen]

So, how are you gonna stop businesses from moving to places where they don't have to deal with unions as Boeing did. They closed up shops in Washington and moved south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Whine all you want about how unfair it is, but unless you are going to pass laws forbidding companies from moving your are gonna have to get over it.

If you are OK with that, then 'fair' would dictate that employees can't leave the state either.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

So, how are you gonna stop businesses from moving to places where they don't have to deal with unions as Boeing did. They closed up shops in Washington and moved south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Better to move South where there are no unions than to other countries, but we still need to make business in the US more profitable to stop the offshoring. Obama doesn't seem to understand such fundamentals.

 

[variant]

So, how are you gonna stop businesses from moving to places where they don't have to deal with unions as Boeing did. They closed up shops in Washington and moved south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Whine all you want about how unfair it is, but unless you are going to pass laws forbidding companies from moving your are gonna have to get over it.

If you are OK with that, then 'fair' would dictate that employees can't leave the state either.

Well the continued downward pressure on the wages of skilled and unskilled jobs alike, and the continuing upward trend of the wealthy, is not going to get you to where you want either economically nor politically.

 

[TeddyReceptus]

Well the continued downward pressure on the wages of skilled and unskilled jobs alike, and the continuing upward trend of the wealthy, is not going to get you to where you want either economically nor politically.

You some sorta commie? That's UNAMERICAN! The workers are lucky to have jobs from the job creators!

The Job Creators don't have to create jobs! They do it because they love us.

For the Job Creators So Loved the World that they opened a factory just for you and me!

Don't nail 'em to a cross!

 

[Steve Petersen]

Lots of complaining. No solutions.

Got any?

 

[Belk]

So, how are you gonna stop businesses from moving to places where they don't have to deal with unions as Boeing did. They closed up shops in Washington and moved south of the Mason-Dixon line.

Whine all you want about how unfair it is, but unless you are going to pass laws forbidding companies from moving your are gonna have to get over it.

If you are OK with that, then 'fair' would dictate that employees can't leave the state either.

Guess all the people I know who work at Boeing have been lying to me about actually having a job then.

 

[Vylo]

Lots of complaining. No solutions.

Got any?

Bolster education and training. An educated workforce is more valuable.

Strengthen unions. Historically, wages have done much better with them, and the country as a whole did better.

 

[HiLo]

Better to move South where there are no unions than to other countries, but we still need to make business in the US more profitable to stop the offshoring. Obama doesn't seem to understand such fundamentals.

He understands the rights of workers to have a seat at the negotiating table, instead of letting greedy corporation drive their workers for slave wages and violate their rights in the process.

He also understands that we should be offering tax breaks for companies that keep jobs here, not for shipping them overseas. I wonder which party in Congress is standing it the way of this common sense thinking?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Bolster education and training. An educated workforce is more valuable.

Strengthen unions. Historically, wages have done much better with them, and the country as a whole did better.

Education does not provide jobs.

Unions do not provide jobs either.

Companies do, based on their NEED for employees. No need, no job.

 

[HiLo]

You some sorta commie? That's UNAMERICAN! The workers are lucky to have jobs from the job creators!

The Job Creators don't have to create jobs! They do it because they love us.

For the Job Creators So Loved the World that they opened a factory just for you and me!

Don't nail 'em to a cross!

And this is just about how they think too.

 

[HiLo]

Education does not provide jobs.

 

[Vylo]

Education does not provide jobs.

Unions do not provide jobs either.

Companies do, based on their NEED for employees. No need, no job.

Companies need educated workers. If a country has a large supply of highly educated workers, they have corner on the market in global trade. One of the reasons it is so hard for us to get back certain manufacturing jobs is because China has so many more trained and educated people now. The recent onshoring has led to 100% employment from many vocational schools because we haven't kept up many of our manfacturing tradeskills. It is causing a lag in the market and economy because we aren't ready to do jobs that many employers would rather keep here at home.

Unions help keep pay up and employees safe. Ever since strike trailed off, and unions became vilified, there has been a precipitous drop in wages for the middle class, while the rich have seen their income sky rocket. They are abusing their power and the people that keep their businesses running. We would all love to think the free market will solve everything, but that simply hasn't been the case. Often the free market turns into a deathmatch, and the wealthy start with a stacked deck.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

China isn't booming because they have more educated workers. They are booming because labor costs are much less than the US. Any idea how much labor goes into a new Iphone?

$8

 

[dies-l]

China isn't booming because they have more educated workers. They are booming because labor costs are much less than the US. Any idea how much labor goes into a new Iphone?

$8

And labor costs are lower because the standard of living is lower. The fact is that American workers cannot compete in manufacturing because American workers expect to be able to live an American lifestyle. Our competitive edge cannot come from being merely warn bodies willing to do manual labor. Our edge must come from a skill set, which comes from education and innovation.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Companies need educated workers.

Only if there is work for them to do.

If a country has a large supply of highly educated workers, they have corner on the market in global trade.

A large supply of highly educated worker will drive DOWN salaries. More people competing for those high paying jobs.

Unions help keep pay up and employees safe.

These days, lawyers do that.

Ever since strike trailed off, and unions became vilified, there has been a precipitous drop in wages for the middle class

You are speaking of private sector unions. Unions in the public sector continue to grow.

while the rich have seen their income sky rocket.

I don't care how much someone else makes. I am glad they are making money. Everyone hopes to do that.

They are abusing their power

What constitutes 'abusing their power?'

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

And labor costs are lower because the standard of living is lower. The fact is that American workers cannot compete in manufacturing because American workers expect to be able to live an American lifestyle. Our competitive edge cannot come from being merely warn bodies willing to do manual labor. Our edge must come from a skill set, which comes from education and innovation.

OK, then why come so many new college graduates cannot find jobs? The answer is more college graduates???

Well, if those additional new graduates are engineers and scientists, you might have a point.

 

[Vylo]

China isn't booming because they have more educated workers. They are booming because labor costs are much less than the US. Any idea how much labor goes into a new Iphone?

$8

You are woefully behind on this subject:

The rise of engineers in China is leaving the US behind - Jul. 29, 2010

Those Chinese solar researchers are the cream of an engineering crop that included an estimated 10,000 Ph.D. graduates last year. This spring the U.S. will graduate about 8,000 Ph.D. engineers, an estimated two-thirds of whom are not U.S. citizens. About 150,000 students who majored in engineering, computer science, information technology, and math will collect bachelor's degrees. The Chinese government claims that in recent years the number in China has been well north of 500,000 and rising fast; even if overstated, as some believe, the real number is much larger than America's, and the quality of those graduates is improving.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

How much does the average Hostess worker make per hour, anyway?

Hubby said he thought he heard $47/hour but I was like, nah, that can't be right...

 

[variant]

Lots of complaining. No solutions.

Got any?

Yeah I would tie taxation incentives directly tied to the amount and quality of produced jobs in the united states.

Right now we incentive "job creation" with tax cuts for wealthy people regardless of if they create jobs for your average American or create them in China.