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Those unions watching out for their workers...

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I never blamed the passengers, the lifeboats had both crew and passengers on board and you have studiously avoided my point that the captain being on the bridge as the Titanic sank showed that management could still be working when they are the ones to sink the company.
You didn't explain how the captain was the one who sank the ship. And in the case of Hostess, the "captain" on board when the company started to sink is no longer on board. So where does your anaolgy fit into the reality, specifically?
 
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And in the case of Hostess, the "captain" on board when the company started to sink is no longer on board.

Rats are always the first ones off the sinking ship. :wave:
 
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So you're onboard with blaming the passengers for the sinking of the Titanic? Go figure

Maybe if it's opposite day. We need to blame the maids. They could have stayed on board and plugged the holes with their bodies. Since they didn't want to save the ship so they could keep working there, they should now get kicked off the life rafts.
 
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[serious];61878541 said:
Maybe if it's opposite day. We need to blame the maids. They could have stayed on board and plugged the holes with their bodies. Since they didn't want to save the ship so they could keep working there, they should now get kicked off the life rafts.
Which demonstrates the failure of the proposed analogy :wave:
 
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You didn't explain how the captain was the one who sank the ship. And in the case of Hostess, the "captain" on board when the company started to sink is no longer on board. So where does your anaolgy fit into the reality, specifically?
Oh good you stopped blaming the unions.
 
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If you ignore the parts that don't compare (all of them), you'd be right
In any analogy you will find plenty of things are different, the question is whether it does match on the points where they do compare. You were using the management still being in the jobs to blame the people who left. I showed you that this wasn't any indication of who was at fault since the management of the Titanic stayed on the bridge. Doesn't matter in the case of hostess that there have been a series of managers getting rich from the company while overseeing it going under. It is still the management who are responsible.
 
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In any analogy you will find plenty of things are different, the question is whether it does match on the points where they do compare. You were using the management still being in the jobs to blame the people who left. I showed you that this wasn't any indication of who was at fault since the management of the Titanic stayed on the bridge. Doesn't matter in the case of hostess that there have been a series of managers getting rich from the company while overseeing it going under. It is still the management who are responsible.
And ultimately, the workers refused to work at a critical time and now they are OUT OF WORK. :thumbsup:
 
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Not any more. Soon to be on the dole. Good job Mr Union boss.

Yup, they didn't have to be on those lifeboats. It would have been far better for them to still be on the ship! Get those bodies in those holes!
 
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[serious];61884029 said:
Yup, they didn't have to be on those lifeboats. It would have been far better for them to still be on the ship! Get those bodies in those holes!
The way it works is that the union workers (the ones who refused to work) would have been employed during the bankruptcy, and beyond. Had the wages during that time not been sufficient, the smart thing to do would have been to maintain the employment while looking for a job somewhere else. Instead, they elected to drive the company into liquidation and themselves onto the dole. Maybe that's what they wanted all along, to get paid for not working.

The likelihood of them getting work with a new buyer is slim. As I understand it, one potential buyer is willing to keep the existing employees while all others are saying "No way"! Can't blame them for that. Who wants to hire workers who refuse to work?
 
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And ultimately, the workers refused to work at a critical time and now they are OUT OF WORK. :thumbsup:
You are still haven't dealt with the fact management can be at fault yet still be on the bridge as the ship goes down. You have kept dodging the point, so I will leave it there.
 
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MachZer0,
"The way it works is that the [kitchen staff] (the ones who refused to [fix the holes in the ship]) would have been employed during the [journey], and beyond. Had the [ship conditions] during that time not been sufficient, the smart thing to do would have been to maintain the employment while looking for a [better ship] somewhere else. Instead, they elected to drive the [ship] into [the sea] and themselves onto the [lifeboats]. Maybe that's what they wanted all along, to get [a pleasure cruise] for not working."
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I can see how bad that analogy is...
 
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You are still haven't dealt with the fact management can be at fault yet still be on the bridge as the ship goes down. You have kept dodging the point, so I will leave it there.
It's a hypothetical so it's not relevant. what we know is that the workers refused to work and the company was then forced into liquidation.
 
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