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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.

The bible is in most hotel drawers. I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.

Keep in mind that the Bible is a collection of numerous books by numerous different authors from different time periods. I don't think the God of the bible can be compared to ancient myths at all.
 

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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.
here you go:
Ancient Greek temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Odinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The bible is in most hotel drawers. I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.
I bet you would have a hard time finding any in hotels in China.
 
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Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods.

That's because they were gone long before you were born. Had you been born two thousand or so years ago, you would see many, many temples for these deities all over the place. Also, these Gods were worshipped during a time when the world wasn't nearly as connected as it is now.

On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible.

The same can be said for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, et cetera.

I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.

Again, because worship for these deities fell out long ago, and they were worshipped during a time when people weren't connected and books weren't even available to be printed. It's not really a fair comparison.

Personally, I wouldn't make such a comparison; I don't feel it's very productive and doesn't get us anywhere. At the same time, though, the Bible isn't true simply because it won a popularity contest.
 
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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.

Religions evolve just like science evolves. Scientists used to claim that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything else moved in 'epicycles' around the Earth. Science has since evolved over time, and so has religion.
 
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That's because they were gone long before you were born. Had you been born two thousand or so years ago, you would see many, many temples for these deities all over the place. Also, these Gods were worshipped during a time when the world wasn't nearly as connected as it is now.

Just adding that Paul refers to temples for these and even an unknown god in one of his letters.

So anyone who actually READ the bible would be aware that such temples existed.

And thinking about it much of the OT is about the Jews worshiping other Gods.

I'll have to change my statement. Anyone even skimming the Bible would be aware of temples to other Gods.
 
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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.

The bible is in most hotel drawers. I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.

Keep in mind that the Bible is a collection of numerous books by numerous different authors from different time periods. I don't think the God of the bible can be compared to ancient myths at all.

Sure it can -- the Bible just has better marketing.
 
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Religions evolve just like science evolves. Scientists used to claim that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything else moved in 'epicycles' around the Earth. Science has since evolved over time, and so has religion.

But all of the above have been around together for the entire time. Not Christianity/Jesus of course but the Old Testament God has. So you are saying the OT God just caught on more than the other Gods?
 
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Just adding that Paul refers to temples for these and even an unknown god in one of his letters.

So anyone who actually READ the bible would be aware that such temples existed.

And thinking about it much of the OT is about the Jews worshiping other Gods.

I'll have to change my statement. Anyone even skimming the Bible would be aware of temples to other Gods.

Correction. They were worshiping "false" Gods that they made up and that could easily be disproven. If I read the OT correctly.
 
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But all of the above have been around together for the entire time. Not Christianity/Jesus of course but the Old Testament God has. So you are saying the OT God just caught on more than the other Gods?

I'm saying that the teachings of Jesus are 'more correct' than previous religious teachings, therefore Jesus became more "popular". The same thing happens in science all the time, so of course it must happen in religion as well.

Older, less correct ideas are simply replaced with newer, more correct ones.

FYI, Islam also reveres Jesus as a great prophet of God. Between Islam and Christianity Jesus is accepted as a spiritual teacher by more than half of the planet at this point. Jesus has become the 'defacto standard' of religion. :)
 
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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.

The bible is in most hotel drawers. I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.

Keep in mind that the Bible is a collection of numerous books by numerous different authors from different time periods. I don't think the God of the bible can be compared to ancient myths at all.

Ever hear of Lord Raglan's The Hero? In short, its a study of common characteristics of various hero myths. Raglan decided that many of the hero myths he'd studied shared common characteristics. These characteristics have to be somewhat loosely interpreted or they wouldn't fit anyone, but are as follows....

1. Hero’s mother is a royal virgin; 2. His father is a king, and 3. Often a near relative of his mother, but 4. The circumstances of his conception are unusual, and 5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god. 6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grandfather to kill him, but 7. He is spirited away, and 8. Reared by foster-parents in a far country. 9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but 10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future Kingdom. 11. After a victory over the king and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast, 12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor and 13. And becomes king. 14. For a time he reigns uneventfully and 15. Prescribes laws, but 16. Later he loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and 17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which 18. He meets with a mysterious death, 19. Often at the top of a hill, 20. His children, if any do not succeed him. 21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless 22. He has one or more holy sepulchres.

Different myths score differently, of course. For example, Oedipus scores a 21, Zues scores a 15, King Arthur a 19 and so on. Real people, that is people who actually existed, rarely score over a 7-8. Lord Raglan never scored Jesus on this scale, but depending on which scholar does the scoring, he usually falls in at 18-20.

Now many people would probably say, "So what? This doesn't prove anything." and they would be right. However, it does strongly suggest that Jesus was a myth...or at the very least his life's story was. Perhaps those who created this story borrowed popular mythological elements that they already knew. Either way, comparing Jesus's story to myth is hardly anything new or in any way invalid. Quite the opposite, the "Jesus as myth" view is one that seems to be gaining strength ever since they stopped killing people for having it.

I'd like to add that your OP is basically just a couple of logical fallacies.
 
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I've heard over on the Creation vs Evolution thread that a lot of non-Christians equate the bible story or the God of the bible to the same as stories/myths about Thor, Gilgamesh or Zues, etc.

Yet I have not ever seen a society of churches dedicated to any of these Gods. On the other hand we have multiple churches dedicated to the God of the King James Bible. All the way from Israel (God of the OT) to the United States. As well as other countries.

The bible is in most hotel drawers. I don't see any religious books about any of those other Gods as a worldwide staple.

Keep in mind that the Bible is a collection of numerous books by numerous different authors from different time periods. I don't think the God of the bible can be compared to ancient myths at all.
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The same can be said for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, et cetera.
Compared to the Bible, these things sprang up overnight; with the exception of Judaism.

Buddhism, for example, got started as a breakaway religion from the Hindu religion's awful caste system, which was extremely oppressive to the common people.
 
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Compared to the Bible, these things sprang up overnight; with the exception of Judaism.

Buddhism, for example, got started as a breakaway religion from the Hindu religion's awful caste system, which was extremely oppressive to the common people.

I would argue that religion is a lot like science. *Individuals* like Einstein and Jesus tend to have a profound effect on both science and religion. In the case of Buddhism, that religion is related to an individual (Buddha of course). Islam is mostly related to Muhammad, and Christianity of course is associated with Jesus. It's individuals that tend to promote specific ideas, and ultimately they become popular (or less so) over time, depending on their usefulness. Jesus is now revered by both Islam and Christianity, so in a very real way the consensus is Jesus. :)
 
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Just adding that Paul refers to temples for these and even an unknown god in one of his letters.
You mean Luke?

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
So anyone who actually READ the bible would be aware that such temples existed.
What does that have to do with the impressive history behind the Christian religion and its Document?

If any other religion even comes close, name it.
 
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