This Weeks Question (7)

[BT]

Last weeks winners who are not allowed to answer (at least yet) are:

Sweet Pea (question one)
AND
Lollard (question two)




Question One (for the younger brethren):

A song was sung for one man, which included another man who became enraged. What was the song, where, and who, and why?

Award = 150 blessings


Question Two (for the older brethren):


Since we've been doing some friendly discussion on dispensationalism. I've decided to gear this weeks question upon that topic.


Name the dispensations, and the period which they cover (scripturally). You do not need to write out long explanations on the period just give two scripture points (e.g. "LKJKJ" dispensation covered the period from Matthew 3 to Matthew 8) < that by the way is not one of them .


**Note since there is a discrepancy around ONE of the dispensations, either range will be accepted.** I am going on the common agreement of 7 dispensations but will accept the other notion (6) if presented...

Award = 250 blessings



BONUS:

Name the failure in each dispensation.

Award 150 (Open to all Baptist/Anabaptist).

 

[TwinCrier]

I'm not sure if I count as younger, but I think David played a song to Saul and that made him really mad. Not sure if that's what you were going for.

I'm embarraseed that as a dispy I can't even name one dispensation period.

 

[BT]

I'm not sure if I count as younger, but I think David played a song to Saul and that made him really mad. Not sure if that's what you were going for.

I'm embarraseed that as a dispy I can't even name one dispensation period.

You count as a younger if you say so. The rule is that only those who have not answered a "Question Two" are allowed to answer "Question One".

In this case your answer to Question One is incorrect, but keep looking!

And it's ok if you can't name one. Start looking! To learn is the point!!

 

[@@Paul@@]

Innocence: the Garden of Eden (till Gen 3)
Conscience: From the Fall to until the call of Noah (Gen 3 - Gen 9)
Government: Noah till the call of Abraham (Gen 9 - Gen 12)
Family: call of Abraham to the call of the “church in the wilderness” (Gen 12 - Ex 19?)
Law: from Sinai till Calvary (Ex 19 - Mat. 27)
Grace: Calvary until Israel is restored (Mat 27 - Rev 20)
Kingdom: the restoration until the New Heavens and a new Earth. (Rev. 20 - Rev. 21)

Or something like that......

 

[BT]

Innocence: the Garden of Eden (till Gen 3)
Conscience: From the Fall to until the call of Noah (Gen 3 - Gen 9)
Government: Noah till the call of Abraham (Gen 9 - Gen 12)
Family: call of Abraham to the call of the “church in the wilderness” (Gen 12 - Ex 19?)
Law: from Sinai till Calvary (Ex 19 - Mat. 27)
Grace: Calvary until Israel is restored (Mat 27 - Rev 20)
Kingdom: the restoration until the New Heavens and a new Earth. (Rev. 20 - Rev. 21)

Or something like that......

Yup that's them.

Innocence - This covers the time before Adam's fall (Genesis 1:28-3:6)

Conscience - Romans 2:15 indicates that God dealt with man through his conscience prior to the law. Others refer to this age as "self-determination" or "moral responsibility". This covers the period from Genesis 4:1-8:14.

Government - This involves features of the Noahic Covenant: animals' fear of man, promise of no more floods, and protection of human life through the institution of capital punishment. This period covers Genesis 8:15-11:9.

Promise - This covers the period of the patriarchs, in which God ordained that they should respond by faith to His revelation. This covers the time from Genesis 11:10 - Exodus 18:27

Mosaic Law - The law was given as a constitution to the nation Israel and covers the period from Exodus 19:1 until Acts 1:26. The law was in force until the death of Christ and the descent of the Holy Spirit.

Grace - Although grace is evident in every age, it is uniquely so in the coming of Christ. Through the advent of Christ God made His grace known to all mankind. This covers the period from Acts 2:1 to Revelation 19:21.

Millennium - This covers the period described in Revelation 20:4-6 when Christ will return to the earth to reign for a thousand years.

It should be noted that features from one dispensation may be incorporated into subsequent dispensations: thus, elements from the periods conscience, government, and promise continue on in subsequent dispensations. This is the studied theologically in the school of what is called (Continuity and Discontinuity).

As an interesting (at least to me) side-note: Along with the progression of revelation from God to man we can also see the progression of "scope" in the dispensations:

Dispensation -- Scope (affected persons)

Innocence -- A couple (Adam and Eve)
Conscience -- Individuals (this is kind of the "thumb")
Government -- A Family (Noah's)
Promise Clan -- (Patriarchs)
Law Nation -- (Israel)
Grace -- The Saved or All People (despite what a calvinist might think)
Millennial -- All of creation


@Paul@ wins! Congratulations.

 

[@@Paul@@]

@Paul@ wins! Congratulations.

I do have a question, however......... Since Grace began with the ending of Law > Is it "legal" to say it will END with Law (Tribulation, endure to the end etc..) ??

..........Should there be 8?? Law>Grace>Law>Millenium?

Just a thought....

 

[BT]

I do have a question, however......... Since Grace began with the ending of Law > Is it "legal" to say it will END with Law (Tribulation, endure to the end etc..) ??

..........Should there be 8?? Law>Grace>Law>Millenium?

Just a thought....

Some see 8 and some see 6. I was rereading my notes because of the discussion we were having and I came across what I would consider the most important sentence, on that I think (even you, ya filthy ultra.. jk) we'd agree on.

"The number of dispensations is not as important as recognizing that there are dispensations."

He then goes on to explain the various opinions.. but I find that I quite agree with that statement! You?

 

[@@Paul@@]

Some see 8 and some see 6. I was rereading my notes because of the discussion we were having and I came across what I would consider the most important sentence, on that I think (even you, ya filthy ultra.. jk) we'd agree on.

"The number of dispensations is not as important as recognizing that there are dispensations."

He then goes on to explain the various opinions.. but I find that I quite agree with that statement! You?

I agree...... Seeing that God can (and does) ask different things of different people at different times, is most important.

cheers on the "filthy ultra"

 

[BT]

I agree...... Seeing that God can (and does) ask different things of different people at different times, is most important.

cheers on the "filthy ultra"

Congrats and enjoy the blessings. May I suggest that you use them to purchase a Scofield reference Bible... or a copy of Dispensationalism by Ryrie...

LOL.. sorry I couldn't resist.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Congrats and enjoy the blessings. May I suggest that you use them to purchase a Scofield reference Bible... or a copy of Dispensationalism by Ryrie...

LOL.. sorry I couldn't resist.

I've already grown with milk and moved on to meat.


sorry I couldn't resist.

 

[BT]

I've already grown with milk and moved on to meat.


sorry I couldn't resist.

oooooh touche!

 

[@@Paul@@]

oooooh touche!

LOL,, ok, but it really wasn't "a stab".... Just so you know.

 

[BT]

LOL,, ok, but it really wasn't "a stab".... Just so you know.

Yes I know, but you're young so I'll forgive you.

 

[@@Paul@@]

BONUS:
Name the failure in each dispensation.
Award 150 (Open to all Baptist/Anabaptist).

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here, but this will give others a good start…

Innocence: Disobeying God’s word by eating of the forbidden tree… Rebellion
Conscience: Ended with the flood… again due to disobeying the word of God (which He gave man through their Conscience)…….. Rebellion.
Government: … by not “replenishing” the earth as God commanded due to pride (lets build a tower to reach the heavens) I also think this was Satan’s first attempt at a “one world religion”; Ended with Babel (the first Babylon)…… Rebellion.
Family: This is a tough one and I’ll probably get it wrong. Again, though, it’s Disobediance to God’s word which caused the failure. Abraham disobeyed when God called Him out of his land by bringing his father in law (no subsequent revelation from God until he died) – I’m not really sure how this ended (or why), I do believe it ended with Israel enslaved to Egypt… I’m going to guess Rebellion..
[Law: Two places here, ended with their rejection of the messiah OR the rejection of the proclamation of the possibility of the Kingdom. Rebellion.
Grace: Apostasy, just as the days of Noah… caring not for the things of God, only of things pertaining to this life. Rebellion.
Kingdom: Proof that even without “sin” man will not want to obey God. Rebellion.

Or something like that......

 

[BT]

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here, but this will give others a good start…

Innocence: Disobeying God’s word by eating of the forbidden tree… Rebellion
Conscience: Ended with the flood… again due to disobeying the word of God (which He gave man through their Conscience)…….. Rebellion.
Government: … by not “replenishing” the earth as God commanded due to pride (lets build a tower to reach the heavens) I also think this was Satan’s first attempt at a “one world religion”; Ended with Babel (the first Babylon)…… Rebellion.
Family: This is a tough one and I’ll probably get it wrong. Again, though, it’s Disobediance to God’s word which caused the failure. Abraham disobeyed when God called Him out of his land by bringing his father in law (no subsequent revelation from God until he died) – I’m not really sure how this ended (or why), I do believe it ended with Israel enslaved to Egypt… I’m going to guess Rebellion..
[Law: Two places here, ended with their rejection of the messiah OR the rejection of the proclamation of the possibility of the Kingdom. Rebellion.
Grace: Apostasy, just as the days of Noah… caring not for the things of God, only of things pertaining to this life. Rebellion.
Kingdom: Proof that even without “sin” man will not want to obey God. Rebellion.

Or something like that......

I'll tell you the ones you have right and the ones you have wrong. You may end up splitting the blessings on this one... or you may come back with the rest of 'em...

Innocence - Right (eating the fruit)

Conscience or (Moral Responsibility) - Wrong (incomplete..)

Government - half-Right so we'll call it correct

2. Failures here.
a) Noah gets drunk and lost his sensibilities to rule for God (for a time at least).
b) Man attempted to build a monolithic one-world instead of scattering and ruling for God (the Ziggaurat).. You got this one right.

Promise (what you call family) - Wrong (incomplete) but you're on track

Law - Right. The failure of the dispensation of Law is that Israel went about trying to establish their own righteousness and did not submit to the righteousness of God (Rom 10:1-3).

Grace - Right. Failure is seen in individuals but especially in the great apostasy which grows and enlarges toward the end of the church age, and which culminates in the appearance and universal acceptance of the Man of Sin after the rapture.

Kingdom - Incorrect (at least incomplete..but you're on track)

Keep lookin

 

[BT]

C'mon youngers.. this question is easy!!!!

 

[jcright]

C'mon youngers.. this question is easy!!!!

Alrighty, I'll give this a try...

Saul was jealous of david because the women were singing about how Saul killed his thousands and david had killed his ten thousands.

oops! 1 samuel 18: 6-8

 

[BT]

Alrighty, I'll give this a try...

Saul was jealous of david because the women were singing about how Saul killed his thousands and david had killed his ten thousands.

oops! 1 samuel 18: 6-8

Yes exactly right!

150 Blessings coming up!!!!

Congratulations!

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Innocence - Failure was gen 2:17 eating of the tree....

Conscience - peversion angels and daughter of men procreated so to ease the burden of planting crops in the fields.... thus the satanic angels[trying to destoy the seed of eve ] God brought the flood to preserve the Humans DNA pure....

Government - test gen 9:6
rule of life Gen 9:1
failure #1 was Gen 10:9-10
Failure #2 gen 11:4




Promise - Failure to believe that God would Do it and thinking that they could do it! exodus 19:8

Law - failure of accepting Jesus as King

Grace - failure to love one another like Christ John 13:34-35

Millennium - failure to ..even thou Satan is bound the flesh not glorified is still a sinner even with God exacting instant Judgement with his angels

 

[@@Paul@@]

Is A Brethren IN CHRIST right?? uh uh uh??