while I wasn't here:
What is going on here? Is the purpose of the ten commandments to see if we will keep God's law? Romans 4:15 says: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. And Romans 5:13 says: For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. It should be clear that the purpose of the law was to legally punish sin. No transgression means no violation (sin) and without law there can be no punishment. My second quote says sin can not be charged (dealt with[punished]) without law. Since gentiles do not have the law, what will they be judged by?
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
The above is in full agreement with Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There is only one way to get your name into the Book if Life. That way is Jesus John 10. It has nothing to do with the law.
Then it is said God commands us (meaning current day believers) to keep the sabbath. Where does the Scripture say this? It doesn't. If one looks at Exodus 19 and 20 God is only dealing with Israel. Even Ezekeil 20:12 says Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. Exodus 31:13 says: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Verse 17 says: Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Where do any of those verses say anything about the sabbath being an obligation to anyone else, except Israel? If a person follows what is being said by the pro law contingency here, they will discover the misuse of the word “you” and replacement of “Israel” with “God's people” to twist the meaning to include gentiles (people outside of a natural born Israeli). God's Word (the Scripture) no where commands anyone but Israel to keep the ten commandments. The sabbath isn't a test of loyalty for the Christian. No where in the new covenant revelation is there any hint of such a requirement. The pro law contingency adds the word “ten” to the word commandments in the NT. The Disciple of Jesus, John doesn't mention obligation to the law (ten commandments) in any of his works. When it comes to salvation John no where mentions the law. John says “believe In Him” meaning Jesus in the well known John 3:16 passage and you won't perish. John 5:24 also says those who do won't be condemned. The law does though. John 3:18 says those who don't believe are condemned already.
In John 5:24 John quotes Jesus saying: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The law does though. John 3:18 says those who don't believe are condemned already.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
A person also needs to understand the Kingdom of God isn't a kingdom of the flesh, commonly understood as physical human being. Jesus said you must be born again. Our bodies will never be born again. What dies or died in the Garden? How long did Adam physically live after being kicked out of the Garden for sin? Is it the body or the soul that dies? What is death? Isn't it separation from God? This separation can only be breached by redemption (being born again). The law (ten commandments) can't change the soul (or will of man). Being born again can. The Christian is a new creation (man) not subject to the rebellious (sin) nature.
Evidently Bob S thinks much faster than LoveGod'sWord does. Bob S agreed with LoveGodsWord and then asked Who the snake was? Of course the snake brought sin with him into the world. Adam nor Eve brought sin into the world. They did sell out to the enemy of our soul to that snake though.
This law wasn't the ten commandments that appeared only 430 years after Abraham and Moses said they weren't given to anyone before (Galatians 3 and Deuteronomy 5).
Nice quote. I wonder how a person can exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees by the same rules. The quote says if not, no entry. The quote also says if not born again, no entry. Evidently the Scribes and Pharisees weren't born again. I also wonder why anyone would post something that condemns themselves.
If not keeping the 4th commandment is sin then that is an admission of being from the devil by the poster. Since the poster does business and rides his beast (vehicle) and does business on the sabbath knowingly, surely they are willingly sinning and of the devil. The reason given is they (the poster) don't know Him. It makes no difference if it's God the Father or God the Son in this case.
What is going on here? Is the purpose of the ten commandments to see if we will keep God's law? Romans 4:15 says: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. And Romans 5:13 says: For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. It should be clear that the purpose of the law was to legally punish sin. No transgression means no violation (sin) and without law there can be no punishment. My second quote says sin can not be charged (dealt with[punished]) without law. Since gentiles do not have the law, what will they be judged by?
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
The above is in full agreement with Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
There is only one way to get your name into the Book if Life. That way is Jesus John 10. It has nothing to do with the law.
Then it is said God commands us (meaning current day believers) to keep the sabbath. Where does the Scripture say this? It doesn't. If one looks at Exodus 19 and 20 God is only dealing with Israel. Even Ezekeil 20:12 says Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. Exodus 31:13 says: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Verse 17 says: Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Where do any of those verses say anything about the sabbath being an obligation to anyone else, except Israel? If a person follows what is being said by the pro law contingency here, they will discover the misuse of the word “you” and replacement of “Israel” with “God's people” to twist the meaning to include gentiles (people outside of a natural born Israeli). God's Word (the Scripture) no where commands anyone but Israel to keep the ten commandments. The sabbath isn't a test of loyalty for the Christian. No where in the new covenant revelation is there any hint of such a requirement. The pro law contingency adds the word “ten” to the word commandments in the NT. The Disciple of Jesus, John doesn't mention obligation to the law (ten commandments) in any of his works. When it comes to salvation John no where mentions the law. John says “believe In Him” meaning Jesus in the well known John 3:16 passage and you won't perish. John 5:24 also says those who do won't be condemned. The law does though. John 3:18 says those who don't believe are condemned already.
In John 5:24 John quotes Jesus saying: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The law does though. John 3:18 says those who don't believe are condemned already.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
A person also needs to understand the Kingdom of God isn't a kingdom of the flesh, commonly understood as physical human being. Jesus said you must be born again. Our bodies will never be born again. What dies or died in the Garden? How long did Adam physically live after being kicked out of the Garden for sin? Is it the body or the soul that dies? What is death? Isn't it separation from God? This separation can only be breached by redemption (being born again). The law (ten commandments) can't change the soul (or will of man). Being born again can. The Christian is a new creation (man) not subject to the rebellious (sin) nature.
Evidently Bob S thinks much faster than LoveGod'sWord does. Bob S agreed with LoveGodsWord and then asked Who the snake was? Of course the snake brought sin with him into the world. Adam nor Eve brought sin into the world. They did sell out to the enemy of our soul to that snake though.
This law wasn't the ten commandments that appeared only 430 years after Abraham and Moses said they weren't given to anyone before (Galatians 3 and Deuteronomy 5).
Nice quote. I wonder how a person can exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees by the same rules. The quote says if not, no entry. The quote also says if not born again, no entry. Evidently the Scribes and Pharisees weren't born again. I also wonder why anyone would post something that condemns themselves.
If not keeping the 4th commandment is sin then that is an admission of being from the devil by the poster. Since the poster does business and rides his beast (vehicle) and does business on the sabbath knowingly, surely they are willingly sinning and of the devil. The reason given is they (the poster) don't know Him. It makes no difference if it's God the Father or God the Son in this case.
Again I've no idea why anyone would post something that condemns themselves.