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With the anti-jewish protests on college campuses largely out of the news...I had somewhat convinced myself they were over.


Jewish students at UCLA had to sue the school to ensure access to their classes. Apparently, pro-terrorist supporters had decided to harass and block them from walking to class. A judge ruled that UCLA has to ensure that the students aren't being discriminated against or prevented from attending class. UCLA decided to appeal the decision....

Some thoughts...

1. If I were a Jewish student at UCLA, I'd demand my money back and sue for discrimination. Apparently UCLA is not only accepting of this behavior...they're appealing the court order that insists they make it stop.

2. I know that multiple businesses will blacklist the protesters. Facial recognition is pretty impressive these days.

3. I recall saying that I was against violence in a protest....allllllll the way back on "punch a nazi" day in 2016 I think. I didn't get a lot of agreement then...and I won't be surprised if less exists now.

4. If I were a parent to one of these protesters I'd be ashamed. Clearly I had screwed up at some point in raising my child. I'd remind them of that, before mentioning I wouldn't be helping them financially anymore. They are on their own should they find themselves in trouble.

5. I understand the DNC protests...that's the people currently sending funds to Israel and Palestine. I don't understand why these protesters are on campuses apart from some desire to drive out Jewish students. Disgusting.

Thoughts?
 
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With the anti-jewish protests on college campuses largely out of the news...I had somewhat convinced myself they were over.


Jewish students at UCLA had to sue the school to ensure access to their classes. Apparently, pro-terrorist supporters had decided to harass and block them from walking to class. A judge ruled that UCLA has to ensure that the students aren't being discriminated against or prevented from attending class. UCLA decided to appeal the decion....

Some thoughts...

1. If I were a Jewish student at UCLA, I'd demand my money back and sue for discrimination. Apparently UCLA is not only accepting of this behavior...they're appealing the court order that insists they make it stop.

2. I know that multiple businesses will blacklist the protesters. Facial recognition is pretty impressive these days.

3. I recall saying that I was against violence in a protest....allllllll the way back on "punch a nazi" day in 2016 I think. I didn't get a lot of agreement then...and I won't be surprised if less exists now.

4. If I were a parent to one of these protesters I'd be ashamed. Clearly I had screwed up at some point in raising my child. I'd remind them of that, before mentioning I wouldn't be helping them financially anymore. They are on their own should they find themselves in trouble.

5. I understand the DNC protests...that's the people currently sending funds to Israel and Palestine. I don't understand why these protesters are on campuses apart from some desire to drive out Jewish students. Disgusting.

Thoughts?
My thoughts are this: These students need to put politics aside, and just go to their classes, instead of wasting thousands of dollars of tuition protesting. These protests from the pro-Palestine students have gotten violent, and are not conducive to education.

Secondly, these students might want to listen to the words of this Christian Arab, who is pro-peace, and pro-Israel.
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Arab Christian living in Israel is pro-Israel and pro-peace: Home of Jesus the King Church

In Nazareth (Israel), Arab Christians are actively promoting peace and unity with their Jewish neighbors, offering support and a message of coexistence amidst conflicts. Pastor Saleem, who used to harbor hatred towards Israel, experienced a life-changing transformation and now leads efforts to build bridges of peace. He emphasizes that their vision is to be peacemakers, creating a new generation free of hatred and promoting understanding among Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Their humanitarian aid center serves as an example of their commitment to peaceful co-existence. Despite being a minority, these Arab Christians are not just bystanders but active participants, standing as a testament to the enduring spirit of brotherhood in times of peace and conflict alike.
 
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5. I understand the DNC protests...that's the people currently sending funds to Israel and Palestine. I don't understand why these protesters are on campuses apart from some desire to drive out Jewish students. Disgusting.

Thoughts?

The DNC protests aren't any different than the colleges though. This is for the majority not anti spending it's just anti semitic.

If it was about spending they would cut spending, not increase it. They aren't seeking ways to better manage our own country, they are seeking ways to cut off Jews from their only ally left on the planet of any consequence at all.

What will happen to Israel if we cut ties?

All the neighboring Arab nations will be attacking Israel. The outcome is unknown, but we know the intent of the Islamists which is to kill the Jews and give any survivors (which would be few if any in the case of an Arab win) dhimmi status.

This is literally what they are demanding. Not just an end to the war Hamas started with the full surrender of Israel (which won't happen in any event and is ignorant of anyone to expect). Rather they are at the DNC demanding we end U.S./Israeli ties.

How anti semitic do you really have to be to think this is something positive for "humanity" writ large? I wouldn't think it was a positive thing to stand behind those literally wanting to end a basic democracy in favor of a terrorist ran slavery of any people...

But clearly the things I think are not the things the new Marxist's think, because they have joined forces with the Islamists in every western country now save one or two...

It's why you see the same people at the same protests, they work with one another now to obtain one another's goals.

It's crazy, and I'm not even sure exactly what the Marxist's are thinking, but clearly they have decided this marriage is mutually beneficial, so the Marxist's and the Islamists are in bed together.

In their hierarchal system of victims versus oppressors, whites (European Christians) and Jews got chosen as the people deserving of death. One litmus test of ideological purity (and perhaps whether they are a good white or a bad one) is based on whether they believe Israel (hence Jews) have the right to self defense. (Anyone who would say yes is a "zionist" and bad)

This is why you see the anti semitic behavior on college campuses. They are being taught this at the very institutions they are engaging in these behaviors at.

It's all in this racial and national hierarchy thing they are using to take over nations and to create this globalist vision for the world.

We are a solid 2 generations + into this type of nonsense being taught in schools, and we've imported all the crazies to teach it to them when we didn't have enough here. I've seen kids who's mind's didn't even seem to work anymore during the college protests, more like what you expect of cult members not college students...

It's not right. But it's anti semitic at it's core.

You kinda have to be to call anyone a Zionist who simply thinks Israel as a nation has the right to exist (even if you're upset about the beginnings you can't expect all the generations now born there who have no other country to leave or accept dhimmi status under Muslims) and the right to defend itself against terrorist attacks.

I would fight if I was them... I can't expect less. On the other foot I see it as against God to fight the jews if I was in Palestine. Why? Because of what Jesus said to an already conquered people.... And the Arabs fought and lost, making them a conquered people basically who, if they were following Christ would seek to live as peaceably as possible as a Christian among their own version of the Romans.

I do believe it's the moral position. If all you can do is carry out terrorist attacks to demoralize a civilian population, rather than fighting the battle and winning - or at least potentially winning against a military opponent - then it's just evil and not a net positive for anyone. It creates hatred and not eventual trust and respect...

One of the things God said to the Jews when they were in Babylon was to be a part of the communities they were captive in.

When it's right to fight you do, but there's times you just start living, even if it hurts ones pride a little....

So I can't support terrorism, I can't support Hamas and I do think that if you pick a battle and lose then it's on you to learn how to live with those consequences.

And I do find my morals the only morals that matter. I found them in a really cool book that makes all the sense in the world to me when the rest of the world seems to have lost their marbles.

Never imagined myself writing on a Christian forum how terrorism is a bad thing. That used to be universally acknowledged in America, now it's not.
 
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Hence the title of the thread. I'm not concerned about the protesters.

But it's still the same thing... It's a Marxist ideology combined with Islamism. It's just naked antisemitism...

Why would they appeal - because Jews are afforded minority status based on their religion and minority race in America.

Clearly, there's some who want to undermine that in order to allow for discrimination against Jews in settings like education, a setting that benefits the Jews as a people, nation, and race ultimately.
 
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My thoughts are this: These students need to put politics aside, and just go to their classes, instead of wasting thousands of dollars of tuition protesting. These protests from the pro-Palestine students have gotten violent, and are not conducive to education.

Secondly, these students might want to listen to the words of this Christian Arab, who is pro-peace, and pro-Israel.
(Duration = 6 min, age rating = ALL)

Arab Christian living in Israel is pro-Israel and pro-peace: Home of Jesus the King Church

In Nazareth (Israel), Arab Christians are actively promoting peace and unity with their Jewish neighbors, offering support and a message of coexistence amidst conflicts. Pastor Saleem, who used to harbor hatred towards Israel, experienced a life-changing transformation and now leads efforts to build bridges of peace. He emphasizes that their vision is to be peacemakers, creating a new generation free of hatred and promoting understanding among Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Their humanitarian aid center serves as an example of their commitment to peaceful co-existence. Despite being a minority, these Arab Christians are not just bystanders but active participants, standing as a testament to the enduring spirit of brotherhood in times of peace and conflict alike.

The last detail I cared to hear was how Hamas gathered intel for October 7th.

Palestinians who had earned the right to cross the Gaza / Israeli border to work jobs in Israel....and weren't part of the greater Hama organization...used their jobs to collect intelligence on target for Hamas. They gave intel on who was home and who wasn't, likely family size, people to target for rape or kidnapping, etc.

In my mind, that blurred the difference between innocent Palestinian civilians of Gaze and Hamas terrorists enough to justify their current treatment.

I see no point in allowing whomever fled back into Gaza. They're not disinterested captives of a terrorist party....nor forced into cooperation. They support Hamas and it's works.

Enough is enough.
 
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The last detail I cared to hear was how Hamas gathered intel for October 7th.

Palestinians who had earned the right to cross the Gaza / Israeli border to work jobs in Israel....and weren't part of the greater Hama organization...used their jobs to collect intelligence on target for Hamas. They gave intel on who was home and who wasn't, likely family size, people to target for rape or kidnapping, etc.

In my mind, that blurred the difference between innocent Palestinian civilians of Gaze and Hamas terrorists enough to justify their current treatment.

I see no point in allowing whomever fled back into Gaza. They're not disinterested captives of a terrorist party....nor forced into cooperation. They support Hamas and it's works.

Enough is enough.
Yep, we should never support these protestors. Hamas is an evil organization, and we must to everything to shut it down. Those student protestors are supporting evil. I would probably be kicked out of school if I told those pro-Hamas leftist students my thoughts.
 
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The DNC protests aren't any different than the colleges though. This is for the majority not anti spending it's just anti semitic.

Well I consider them different for two reasons generally...

1. Targeting the protest at the DNC is legitimate, since the Democrats are in charge of foreign policy since October 7th...anyone who disagrees with that policy should target Democratic officials.

2. The college students are dumb and ignorant. I'm generalizing of course, but they don't seem to understand much of anything about the conflict, nor do they have any realistic demands of the universities. It's not motivated by anything genuine. The people protesting the DNC may also be ignorant but they are without excuse.


If it was about spending they would cut spending, not increase it. They aren't seeking ways to better manage our own country, they are seeking ways to cut off Jews from their only ally left on the planet of any consequence at all.

What will happen to Israel if we cut ties?

It's an interesting question. I don't believe all their neighbors would attack...but certainly some would.


All the neighboring Arab nations will be attacking Israel. The outcome is unknown, but we know the intent of the Islamists which is to kill the Jews and give any survivors (which would be few if any in the case of an Arab win) dhimmi status.

I believe nuclear war would result. Israel has made clear they will not lose to an invading army and will launch their 400 estimated nuclear arsenal in that event. I think we can assume Iran would be gone...entirely.

This is literally what they are demanding. Not just an end to the war Hamas started with the full surrender of Israel (which won't happen in any event and is ignorant of anyone to expect). Rather they are at the DNC demanding we end U.S./Israeli ties.

Right...I'm not sure if they understand the result of cutting ties with Israel or supporting Palestine....but that appears to be what they want.



How anti semitic do you really have to be to think this is something positive for "humanity" writ large? I wouldn't think it was a positive thing to stand behind those literally wanting to end a basic democracy in favor of a terrorist ran slavery of any people...

Antisemitism, like racism, is really only something widely shamed amongst white people and often accepted or excused amongst other communities.

There's a great example of Nick Cannon speaking with a black supremacist. He makes extremely racist and antisemitic statements in this interview....the sort that would end the careers of any white celebrity of similar status. Nick Cannon only had to take a short break (because of his antisemitic statements, not the racist ones about white people) an some public apologies to the Jewish communities before resuming his same career as if nothing happened.

I'm not sure why bigotry is ignored so often in other communities but this appears to be part of the result of letting antisemitic views slide amongst the Muslim/black communities. Sure, many white people are in these protests....but they're the "allies" (aka useful idiots) of these other communities. If it were just white students, they'd be labeled white supremacists or fascists for these views.



But clearly the things I think are not the things the new Marxist's think, because they have joined forces with the Islamists in every western country now save one or two...

I think many don't understand they're holding Marxist views.


It's why you see the same people at the same protests, they work with one another now to obtain one another's goals.

It's crazy, and I'm not even sure exactly what the Marxist's are thinking, but clearly they have decided this marriage is mutually beneficial, so the Marxist's and the Islamists are in bed together.

Well let's assume the Marxists are aware that the Muslims will not go along with their agenda. Then we can safely assume they are using them to manufacture crisis and have no concern in controlling or eliminating them post revolution.


In their hierarchal system of victims versus oppressors, whites (European Christians) and Jews got chosen as the people deserving of death. One litmus test of ideological purity (and perhaps whether they are a good white or a bad one) is based on whether they believe Israel (hence Jews) have the right to self defense. (Anyone who would say yes is a "zionist" and bad)

Actually, it's unclear where anyone stands on the hierarchy. A hierarchy itself implies some values and no clear values exist. Instead, I'd suggest that they support whichever group will get them the most political power in the moment. They supported BLM to manufacture crisis and mobilize black people at the polls. They defended the Jewish community from the far right in Charlottesville....turning a non-violent protest to a violent crisis. Now they attack the Jewish community with the Muslims....trying to create violence and discord.


This is why you see the anti semitic behavior on college campuses. They are being taught this at the very institutions they are engaging in these behaviors at.

Marxist dialects are certainly being taught....but I don't know if Jewish people are specifically being targeted in classes. Unlike white people....the Jewish community has advocacy groups that aggressively fight Antisemitism.



It's all in this racial and national hierarchy thing they are using to take over nations and to create this globalist vision for the world.
They definitely wish to upend western democracy and it's societal structures. Keep in mind though....these are Marxists....there is no plan at all for how to create a society. That's why defund the police became popular even for a short while. The notion that "we'll figure it out once we've succeeded in removing the police and getting power" is a hallmark of Marxism. There's never been a working plan for a successful socialist or marxist society. It's quite literally just a plan for creating division, dissent, and revolution....what comes after has no plan at all.


I've seen kids who's mind's didn't even seem to work anymore during the college protests, more like what you expect of cult members not college students...

Fun fact, the original title of the Communist Manifesto is "The Communist Confession of Faith".

It is a religion....a political one....with a perfect superior human consciousness as it's God and a utopian society as it's heaven.


It's not right. But it's anti semitic at it's core.

You kinda have to be to call anyone a Zionist who simply thinks Israel as a nation has the right to exist

Just like they called any white people who founded the US white supremacists....or any white person with enough dignity to defend themselves against baseless accusations of racism a white supremacist.


I would fight if I was them... I can't expect less. On the other foot I see it as against God to fight the jews if I was in Palestine. Why? Because of what Jesus said to an already conquered people.... And the Arabs fought and lost, making them a conquered people basically who, if they were following Christ would seek to live as peaceably as possible as a Christian among their own version of the Romans.

Israel is....and has been...the only nation expected to live alongside a hostile neighboring nation that is trying to kill them at all times....and Israel must never destroy that nation.

It's a ridiculous expectation.

I do believe it's the moral position.

I believe that fundamentally....if the Palestinians are willing to fight and kill and die for the possibility of regaining what they believe they unjustly lost....they have the right to do so.

The problem is when they lose this fight....they complain about how badly they are losing....not that the fight was wrong to begin with. If Palestinians were willing to disavow Hamas, recognize the right of Israel to exist, and be willing to work with Israel to destroy any terrorist organizations or political organizations that argue otherwise....then I think Israel should accept their surrender and cease their war. Anything short of that should result in the continued destruction of Gaza and all people in it.



When it's right to fight you do, but there's times you just start living, even if it hurts ones pride a little....

Everyone who starts a war believes they are right to do so. Losing the war is surrender. I don't see any Palestinians arguing that they surrender and no longer recognize the authority of Hamas. They are simply whining about how badly they are losing the war they started. It's true they are losing...but it doesn't seem obvious they are ready to abandon the terrorist organization they placed in charge if their society and recognize the legitimate existence of Israel. Until then....the war should continue.


So I can't support terrorism, I can't support Hamas and I do think that if you pick a battle and lose then it's on you to learn how to live with those consequences.

Indeed...losing a fight you began is no reason for the victor to stop. They began this fight for certain reasons...and those reasons need to be recognized as wrong. We didn't allow Germany to keep the Nazi Party when they surrendered...and the Palestinians should have to elect new leaders who aren't hostile to Israel. If none exist...they should all be prepared to die.

And I do find my morals the only morals that matter.

Lol so do I and everyone else.


Never imagined myself writing on a Christian forum how terrorism is a bad thing. That used to be universally acknowledged in America, now it's not.

The left has abandoned any real set of values for whatever political positions they believe will gain them power in the moment. It leads to a lot of hypocrisy.
 
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But it's still the same thing... It's a Marxist ideology combined with Islamism. It's just naked antisemitism...

Why would they appeal - because Jews are afforded minority status based on their religion and minority race in America.

Clearly, there's some who want to undermine that in order to allow for discrimination against Jews in settings like education, a setting that benefits the Jews as a people, nation, and race ultimately.

Consider, for example, the criticisms of various artistic mediums that the marxists employ to justify their supposed outrage towards those successful artistic endeavors.

Too many white straight men who are violent and misogynistic is the critique. The problem this creates in movies and books, for example, is that black boys, girls, and non-hetero people do not identify with the protagonists....like James Bond, and therefore they'll be left with a view of themselves as permanent outsiders in society. Even worse, these misogynistic and violent themes permeate their view of how to treat women and non-white people.

That's the general critique...it's not diverse, and promotes values that are negative to society. This is why they will rage against the casting another white hetero James Bond. They believe James Bond should be a gay black woman or better, a gay black trans woman....for the sake of diversity and positive themes.

We've seen this play out in all forms of art from movies to books to music....heavy metal for example, is often criticized as perpetuating white supremacy and is guilty of all of the above criticisms. These criticisms don't get much attention though...because that music genre isn't anywhere near the mainstream or commercial art world.

Do they actually believe these criticisms? No. Is there any evidence a young black boy or girl cannot identify with James Bond because he's white and it causes some permanent distortion of their place in society? Nope.

They don't actually believe these things....if they did...they would certainly go after rap music.

Rap music is extremely popular and has multiple sub genres....but if we were to describe it generally (meaning we can find some examples that don't fit the generalization but the majority do)....

We'd have to describe it as un-diverse. Rap is dominated by black men. Black women are also present....and some notable Latino, white, and Asian rappers exist....but it's overwhelmingly black men.

What's the common thematic messaging? It's misogynistic, homophobic, materialisticly obsessed with wealth, and violent.

You would think that anyone who genuinely believes this left wing critique of art...whether it's movies, video games, books, or music....would immediately and constantly criticize rap music in general.

Yet that doesn't happen.....ever. Why? Because these aren't real complaints derived from a real set of values. There are no real values or beliefs on the new left....just criticism of anything they believe can be subverted to promote their narratives and acquire power. That's all this is about....getting power.
 
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Consider their critique of Christianity in general. Is there some aspect of that critique that wouldn't apply to Islam....or perhaps be more relevant in Islam? No. Islam is far less accepting of gay people (for example) than Christianity.

So why do they ally with Muslims against Christians or the perception of Christian influence but never against Muslims or Muslim influence? Because they critique whatever they see as powerful until they gain control of it....and use it to oppress. This is extremely difficult to do with a religion. The next best thing then....is to suppress and scapegoat a religion to try to diminish its power and influence.

Consider another recent example....children's books containing what can only be described as "pay gorn"....

They had an actual activist movement laid out in some far left thesis paper called "Queering the Catalog". If you look it up....you'll see an actual agenda to expose children to thus highly sexualized material in libraries....a place the thesis writer theorized would be a place to expose children to this without the knowledge of their parents. This is a real thesis paper that really exists and you can actually look up.

When complaints about books began popping up....I thought it was a conservative Christian overreaction. That was genuinely my first thought. My second thought was....well, I should definitely look at the evidence and make sure that there was nothing to this story. Imagine my surprise when I saw actual children's books of "pay gorn".

I then saw about a year of parents rightly being outraged over the smut their children were being exposed to....and a vast sea of people believing this was a conservative Christian overreaction because that's what their news media said.

All it would have taken was maybe a 5 minute search on Google to know the truth. I couldn't convince people to look at the evidence....they didn't care about the evidence....they liked the feeling moral superiority marxism gives them. There's no evidence required....just the scapegoating of "oppressors".

So...as I would hope a Christian would do for me if our positions were reversed....I pushed back against claims that this had something to do with Christian morals. I would have been just as disturbed if "hetero gorn" was placed in these books. It was entirely subversive and seemed like a genuine attempt to promote the sexualising of children. Disgusting.

Notably....when parents across the U.S were demanding this filth be taken out of the classroom and children's libraries....

A town that is mostly Muslim in Michigan did the same....in total solidarity....and openly described the books as against their religion. This didn't get much attention but it did happen....and they didn't play around. It was a remove the books or we will remove you type situation.

Religion can't really be subverted by this political religion....not entirely. So to diminish the power of religions they see as powerful... they ally with Muslims. It's not a problem in their eyes because they can dismiss any Muslim problems that may arise once they gain enough political power. They are keenly aware though.....there will never be a "Muslims for Trans rights" group the way a "Queers for Palestine" group exists.
 
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Also lol...sorry to ramble...but when I say...

"They critique things they see as powerful in order to control those things and use them to oppress."

I mean that quite literally.

The whole BLM thing was a running critique of white people and racism...and far less about police.

They promoted a distorted definition of racism that was related to...power.

They don't actually believe that definition of racism. They know anyone can be racist against anyone...powerful or not.

They argued to that only white people are racist....and it matters because according to them, white people use their racism to create systems that oppress non-white people. They had examples of this from the past like Jim Crow or redlining. Those are real things that happened and they are bad.

They argue that those things still oppress black people today....despite the laws against them...and the fact that many black people who have faced racist discrimination have filed lawsuits over it and been awarded large sums of money as justice. It is a valid method of fighting racism. It literally punishes racists.

They claimed that the discrimination of the past was so severe....that all black people today suffer from it.

Their solution? Create a system that racially discriminates against white people and increasingly, asians and jews.

They don't believe in a colorblind society where people treat each other the same and avoid racial stereotypes. They laugh at the idea as something impossible. It's certainly not a quick solution....but it appeared to be working.

Not fast enough though...so they created a system of racial discrimination that benefits non-whites....

They don't believe in a society wherein racism and racial discrimination is minimized. They believe in a society where racism and racial discrimination benefits them. A society where they can use racial discrimination for power, like more CEOs who believe what they do, or a VP chosen not on competency or merit but chosen on immutable characteristics. You can see how every time they succeed....they congratulate themselves. "We put a black woman on the Supreme Court....what an amazing day for black women!"

They put Claudine Gay in charge of Harvard. Not because she's qualified....and certainly not because she's competent.....but because she's a black woman. When her incompetence is rightly criticized....because protesters are chasing Jewish students around Harvard....they defend her not by pointing out her competency and the great job she's doing....but instead, they insist her lack of qualifications and plagiarism are only excuses that racists bring up because they hate her.

As if anyone had heard of Claudine Gay before she testified to Congress.

They don't hate racial discrimination or wish to eliminate racism at all. They want to use these things gain positions of power....nothing more.
 
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Also lol...sorry to ramble...but when I say...

"They critique things they see as powerful in order to control those things and use them to oppress."

I mean that quite literally.

The whole BLM thing was a running critique of white people and racism...and far less about police.

They promoted a distorted definition of racism that was related to...power.

They don't actually believe that definition of racism. They know anyone can be racist against anyone...powerful or not.

They argued to that only white people are racist....and it matters because according to them, white people use their racism to create systems that oppress non-white people. They had examples of this from the past like Jim Crow or redlining. Those are real things that happened and they are bad.

They argue that those things still oppress black people today....despite the laws against them...and the fact that many black people who have faced racist discrimination have filed lawsuits over it and been awarded large sums of money as justice. It is a valid method of fighting racism. It literally punishes racists.

They claimed that the discrimination of the past was so severe....that all black people today suffer from it.

Their solution? Create a system that racially discriminates against white people and increasingly, asians and jews.

They don't believe in a colorblind society where people treat each other the same and avoid racial stereotypes. They laugh at the idea as something impossible. It's certainly not a quick solution....but it appeared to be working.

Not fast enough though...so they created a system of racial discrimination that benefits non-whites....

They don't believe in a society wherein racism and racial discrimination is minimized. They believe in a society where racism and racial discrimination benefits them. A society where they can use racial discrimination for power, like more CEOs who believe what they do, or a VP chosen not on competency or merit but chosen on immutable characteristics. You can see how every time they succeed....they congratulate themselves. "We put a black woman on the Supreme Court....what an amazing day for black women!"

They put Claudine Gay in charge of Harvard. Not because she's qualified....and certainly not because she's competent.....but because she's a black woman. When her incompetence is rightly criticized....because protesters are chasing Jewish students around Harvard....they defend her not by pointing out her competency and the great job she's doing....but instead, they insist her lack of qualifications and plagiarism are only excuses that racists bring up because they hate her.

As if anyone had heard of Claudine Gay before she testified to Congress.

They don't hate racial discrimination or wish to eliminate racism at all. They want to use these things gain positions of power....nothing more.
In my opinion, stuff like this has become the new normal for the Democratic Party starting at least a couple of decades ago..... if not longer.
 
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I think many don't understand they're holding Marxist views.

I absolutely agree. I think that's what has made some of these last few years more upsetting generally.

There's a lot I am just now coming to understand the truth of.

I think it's been the same for many people... many are coming to see the world very differently.
 
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In my opinion, stuff like this has become the new normal for the Democratic Party starting at least a couple of decades ago..... if not longer.

Well it was noticeable and gaining ground under Bush and Obama. My entire life it was normal for either side of the political aisle to lob cheap attacks at the other side....but Islamophobia didn't work well with the semi constant terrorist attacks....and homophobe had limited use. Back then I considered myself a left leaning centrist....or just a liberal for short....but that was prior to the majority of the left taking massive steps further left on issues like free speech, racism, political violence, sex ed for children, etc.

When the narrative latched onto the idea that my work was less valuable or I made less effort or however they describe it now....because I'm white...I was done. I thought nobody with an ounce of dignity or self respect would degrade themselves that way over something they have no control over....and stopped describing myself as liberal or center-left. To be clear, my views have changed on a few things but not wildly. I don't really know a political label that fits well so I just avoid them.
 
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I absolutely agree. I think that's what has made some of these last few years more upsetting generally.

There's a lot I am just now coming to understand the truth of.

I think it's been the same for many people... many are coming to see the world very differently.

1. We don't really discuss Marxism the way we do Nazis in our culture....which is weird because the dedicated and successful marxists have killed more people and ruined more successful nations than the fascists.

2. There's overuse of political labels....especially incorrectly....in the general political discourse. Conservatives will describe anything that they don't like as socialist so most people have no clue what it is. The left has done something very similar now with labels like white supremacist or fascist....which is odd because I wonder if it will disguise actual fascists at some point.

3. Marxism for multiple reasons doesn't have the reputation it deserves. People imagine it as an overly dense and complicated political/economic theory....and it's not. The copy of the Communist Manifesto I used to have is about 60 pages long. It's a sermon....beginning to end. It's an argument for revolution with the assurance that the revolutionary cannot possibly do worse than the evil oppressors they overthrow. It's an incorrect understanding of people, history, and economics....wrapped up in ingratitude, entitlement, moral superiority, and a deep desire for meaningful action. Marx was a German booze hound and narcissist who thought he shouldn't have to work for a living because he was so smart. He's a picture of middle class resentment of the upper class, disdain of the poor, and fear of a normal life. His best thoughts are mostly ripped off of smarter people....and his worst thoughts are the center of his theories.

Of course, in everyone, I think there's both a desire to be understood and to have others agree with you. It's a very human thing. If he were honest, I could forgive his choices and the damage they've done.....but I know he doesn't actually believe in communism. As he famously once said..."I am not a Marxist".
 
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1. We don't really discuss Marxism the way we do Nazis in our culture....which is weird because the dedicated and successful marxists have killed more people and ruined more successful nations than the fascists.

2. There's overuse of political labels....especially incorrectly....in the general political discourse. Conservatives will describe anything that they don't like as socialist so most people have no clue what it is. The left has done something very similar now with labels like white supremacist or fascist....which is odd because I wonder if it will disguise actual fascists at some point.

3. Marxism for multiple reasons doesn't have the reputation it deserves. People imagine it as an overly dense and complicated political/economic theory....and it's not. The copy of the Communist Manifesto I used to have is about 60 pages long. It's a sermon....beginning to end. It's an argument for revolution with the assurance that the revolutionary cannot possibly do worse than the evil oppressors they overthrow. It's an incorrect understanding of people, history, and economics....wrapped up in ingratitude, entitlement, moral superiority, and a deep desire for meaningful action. Marx was a German booze hound and narcissist who thought he shouldn't have to work for a living because he was so smart. He's a picture of middle class resentment of the upper class, disdain of the poor, and fear of a normal life. His best thoughts are mostly ripped off of smarter people....and his worst thoughts are the center of his theories.

Of course, in everyone, I think there's both a desire to be understood and to have others agree with you. It's a very human thing. If he were honest, I could forgive his choices and the damage they've done.....but I know he doesn't actually believe in communism. As he famously once said..."I am not a Marxist".

I have never read the communist manifesto. I love history but I'll likely never have a real desire to sit and read this type of intellectual.

History alone tells me our constitution and way of life is far superior to communism and other such political theories. We have a very well designed system, one that has allowed us to overcome our own selves at times.

But you're right, Marxism's a topic even I avoid because I'm not as well versed in it.

Plus the behaviors of the left are so crazy every time you think you have them pinned down you have to rethink it because they threw in something new or something that doesn't quite fit.

Everyone intuitively knows it's some type of Marxist type of takeover - just generally - but do we call it what exactly and how do we support that? I don't know.

Outside of talking to people who came out of similar takeovers (Soviet Union, Venezuela, Cuba) who clearly recognize the same things here, as well as knowing the history of the fall of every civilization, we know we are here, but I certainly don't have a solid word for "here" that I could argue with an intellectual about.

I've just been using the word communist lately as a general.
 
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