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[stiggywiggy]

You are correct: Dolly Madison WAS out of touch with pioneer women just as Rachel Jackson was out of touch with Eastern society women.

I love this "out of touch" vagueness. Do you think Obama, for example, is more "in touch" with tobacco farmers than Dolly Madison was with hog sloppers?

Question: was Dolly Madison ever touted as James' main adviser on women's affairs?

I doubt it. Why would you ask that? Was Ann Romney ever touted as Romney's main adviser on women's affairs?

 

[stiggywiggy]

What was claimed is that Romney's wife, a woman who has lived in privilege her entire life, has no business speaking for most women.

But since she never said she spoke for most women, why would you type such an irrelevant opinion?

 

[kermit]

But since she never said she spoke for most women, why would you type such an irrelevant opinion?

Romney claims that she is his advisor on what's important to women. Apperanty, Mitt thinks she's speaks for most women, and, apparently, Ann doesn't correct him.

 

[tulc]

Of course he did. Maybe Ann Romney is relying upon the advice of a non-partisan group of middle class women. Ever consider that?

LOL!
tulc(ok, you almost had me with that one!)

 

[stiggywiggy]

Romney claims that she is his advisor on what's important to women.

Where's he say that? And even if he did, what's the problem? Sounds normal to me. Many, many times I consulted my wife in matters involving women. It's common sense.

 

[DaisyDay]

Dang. I am so out of touch. FORCED to work, huh? A woman on a chain gang would be an interesting sight, though. I'm surprised I've never run across that. Romney ought to be ashamed of himself.

CNN.com - Sheriff runs female chain gang - Oct. 29, 2003

Leave it to good ole Sheriff Arpaio! I don't know if he still runs it.

 

[DaisyDay]

I love this "out of touch" vagueness.

Of course you do. Isn't that why you chose it?

I doubt it. Why would you ask that? Was Ann Romney ever touted as Romney's main adviser on women's affairs?

You've already backtracked made excuses on this one. The criticism wasn't on Ann Romney, it was on Mitt. It was gratuitous, sure, as many men do consult their wives. To hear Nancy tell it, she was far, far more involved with White House matters than Hillary ever claimed to be.

 

[Vylo]

Said "point" apparently being something that cannot be explained, other than calling it a "point."

Ann Romney did not work a job as well as be a mother. She therefore lacks a firm understanding of what it is like for working mothers.

Was that really hard to grasp from the statement?

 

[stiggywiggy]

Of course you do. Isn't that why you chose it?

No, I'm not a vague guy. I elaborate. If I were to use the phrase "out of touch," at least I'd try to give an example, or at a minimum explain what being in touch would entail in this particular case.

You've already backtracked made excuses on this one.

There you go, being vague again. Tell me:

(1). What excuses you think you're seeing coming from me, since I can't recall anything in this thread that requires excusing, and

(2). What "backtracking" you're talking about.

The criticism wasn't on Ann Romney,

Not true. It was my OP and I was talking about Hilary Rosen's criticism of Ann Romney.

 

[stiggywiggy]

Ann Romney did not work a job as well as be a mother. She therefore lacks a firm understanding of what it is like for working mothers.

Was that really hard to grasp from the statement?

Why would anyone have a hard time grasping that? Were you somehow struggling with it? Anyway, if anyone knows why Jackie Kennedy never got that sort of criticism, let me know.

 

[Vylo]

Why would anyone have a hard time grasping that? Were you somehow struggling with it? Anyway, if anyone knows why Jackie Kennedy never got that sort of criticism, let me know.

Probably because there still was a large gender gap in the workforce, and the vast majority of mothers didn't work, or even have to?

 

[tulc]

Why would anyone have a hard time grasping that? Were you somehow struggling with it? Anyway, if anyone knows why Jackie Kennedy never got that sort of criticism, let me know.

There weren't 24/7 news channels back then.
tulc(have to fill those hours with something)

 

[kermit]

Ann Romney did not work a job as well as be a mother. She therefore lacks a firm understanding of what it is like for working mothers.

Was that really hard to grasp from the statement?

Even if you look at Ann Romney as a house wife she lacks a firm understanding of what an average house wife expereriences as she's had help in the form of nannies and housekeepers.

 

[kermit]

Why would anyone have a hard time grasping that? Were you somehow struggling with it? Anyway, if anyone knows why Jackie Kennedy never got that sort of criticism, let me know.

First of all no one is criticing Ann Romney. Second, did JFK ever claim that he relied on Jackie to determine what's important to average women?

 

[stiggywiggy]

There weren't 24/7 news channels back then.
tulc(have to fill those hours with something)

I see. The increase in news media means that today's stay-at-home Moms are more out of touch with women than stay-at-home Moms in the early '60's, and therefore Jackie Kennedy is not as open to the charge of being out-of-touch as Ann Romney is.

 

[stiggywiggy]

Even if you look at Ann Romney as a house wife she lacks a firm understanding of what an average house wife expereriences as she's had help in the form of nannies and housekeepers.

Why would she need that understanding in the White House? It's not like she'll be vaccuuming the Blue Room carpets and dusting the furniture in the Oval Office.

 

[stiggywiggy]

First of all no one is criticing Ann Romney.

??? So you're not even aware of what the OP was referring to?

Second, did JFK ever claim that he relied on Jackie to determine what's important to average women?

I wouldn't know. If he was a normal husband, I'd think so. Any man who does not value his wife's opinion on matters primarily of the opposite gender is probably a fool, unless he thinks his wife is.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

That's right anything that is politically damning to the DNC is "totally not news".

Both parties do politically damning things all the time.

But that's irrelevant, because this isn't politically damning for the Democratic Party.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

True, BUT women who chose to stay at home having never worked for a living should not be held up as examples of what women who do work to support their families want and need.

This is true. I agree with you there.

 

[kermit]

??? So you're not even aware of what the OP was referring to?

I'm well aware that the OP is referring to.

I wouldn't know. If he was a normal husband, I'd think so. Any man who does not value his wife's opinion on matters primarily of the opposite gender is probably a fool, unless he thinks his wife is.

Why would any man take his wife's opinion as anything other than that of women of a similar socio-economic status. Romney's wife's opinion on women's issues only relates to women in multimillionaire households. In the same way my wife opinion on women's issues only related to upper middle class women. And so on.