This is what I have learned about "God"

[MsJanie]

The bible is a lie. This is clear as crystal to me and I can't believe anyone who actually takes the time to read it would think it to be true.
1. Christianity is a religion that is made up of bits and parts of other religions. Now, some of you are probably mad already. Just keep reading. I promise it is all true.
Christ was born of a virgin mothereek: sounds painful), died on a cross, and grants eternal life. Ok. So did plenty of gods who were revered and worshipped long before Christianity existed!
Examples:
OSIRIS: Egyptian god. He traveled the world showing kindness. His death is a familiar story: He was killed. He resurrected. He then becomes the god of the dead, granting ETERNAL LIFE. The ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead depicts this and shows his resurrected followers standing in his presence as he judges them. According to Plutarch, when these souls are set free and travel into the unknown, Osiris becomes their king. It is important to note that this was all some 1400 years before Jesus.
DIONYSUS: God of fertility/wine. Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the MORTAL WOMAN, Semele. Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth has this to say on the matter:
"The early Christians acknowledged that Dionysus (his Greek name) / Bacchus (his Latin name) came before Jesus. How? The Christian Father Justin Martyr, writing in the 100s AD, wrote that the Devil reading the Old Testament prophesies of the Messiah sent Bacchus early, to trick men about Jesus"
Grasping at straws, are we, Father Martyr?
PYTHAGORAS: This is the guy that gave us the Pythagorean Theorum. His followers fancied him like a god. He performed miracles--and so did his disciples--in his name!!! Much like Jesus' disciples. He also began a religion that believed in God and the immortal human soul.
2. 'God' repeatedly tells people to murder, despite the 6th commandment clearly stating that thou 'shalt not' do that.
(Exodus 17:8-14, Exodus 32:26-28, Leviticus 26:7-8, Numbers 15:32-36, Numbers 21:21-35, Numbers 25:4-13, NUMBERS 31!!!, Deuteronomy 2:30-34, Deuteronomy 20:10-17, Joshua 6:20-21,
Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 10:12-14, just to name a few...)
3. There is a large amount of racism, sexism, and just plain pervertedness throughout the bible: If a man raped a woman who wasn't married yet, he just paid her father a fee and she HAD to marry him(he just raped her, so sick!)DEUT. 22:28-29. In Judges 19:24-29 a man gave his wife to a mob to protect himself. The mob gang-raped her all night and then killed her.

GOD TOLD HIS PEOPLE (MORE THAN ONCE) TO BOIL AND EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN, WHICH THEY DID!
Deut. 28:53, 2 Kings 6:28-29, Lev 26:29, Jer. 19:9, Lam. 2:20, Ezek 5:10

Lot was LOVED by God. In Genisis 19:8, he offers his virgin daughters to a rape mob to appease them. What family values!

Well, I think I have covered enough for now. Ask me if you want to know more or if you are confused about something.

 

[BigNorsk]

By your reasoning, if I could find posters who posted similar things before you did, it would prove that you don't exist. Of course that would prove nothing of the sort.

That there were stories with some similarities about others, does not prove nor disprove the existence of Jesus nor who he is. It is faulty logic.

Marv

 

[Digit]

The bible is a lie. This is clear as crystal to me and I can't believe anyone who actually takes the time to read it would think it to be true.
1. Christianity is a religion that is made up of bits and parts of other religions. Now, some of you are probably mad already. Just keep reading. I promise it is all true.
Christ was born of a virgin mothereek: sounds painful), died on a cross, and grants eternal life. Ok. So did plenty of gods who were revered and worshipped long before Christianity existed!
Examples:
OSIRIS: Egyptian god. He traveled the world showing kindness. His death is a familiar story: He was killed. He resurrected. He then becomes the god of the dead, granting ETERNAL LIFE. The ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead depicts this and shows his resurrected followers standing in his presence as he judges them. According to Plutarch, when these souls are set free and travel into the unknown, Osiris becomes their king. It is important to note that this was all some 1400 years before Jesus.
DIONYSUS: God of fertility/wine. Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the MORTAL WOMAN, Semele. Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth has this to say on the matter:
"The early Christians acknowledged that Dionysus (his Greek name) / Bacchus (his Latin name) came before Jesus. How? The Christian Father Justin Martyr, writing in the 100s AD, wrote that the Devil reading the Old Testament prophesies of the Messiah sent Bacchus early, to trick men about Jesus"
Grasping at straws, are we, Father Martyr?
PYTHAGORAS: This is the guy that gave us the Pythagorean Theorum. His followers fancied him like a god. He performed miracles--and so did his disciples--in his name!!! Much like Jesus' disciples. He also began a religion that believed in God and the immortal human soul.
2. 'God' repeatedly tells people to murder, despite the 6th commandment clearly stating that thou 'shalt not' do that.
(Exodus 17:8-14, Exodus 32:26-28, Leviticus 26:7-8, Numbers 15:32-36, Numbers 21:21-35, Numbers 25:4-13, NUMBERS 31!!!, Deuteronomy 2:30-34, Deuteronomy 20:10-17, Joshua 6:20-21,
Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 10:12-14, just to name a few...)
3. There is a large amount of racism, sexism, and just plain pervertedness throughout the bible: If a man raped a woman who wasn't married yet, he just paid her father a fee and she HAD to marry him(he just raped her, so sick!)DEUT. 22:28-29. In Judges 19:24-29 a man gave his wife to a mob to protect himself. The mob gang-raped her all night and then killed her.

GOD TOLD HIS PEOPLE (MORE THAN ONCE) TO BOIL AND EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN, WHICH THEY DID!
Deut. 28:53, 2 Kings 6:28-29, Lev 26:29, Jer. 19:9, Lam. 2:20, Ezek 5:10

Lot was LOVED by God. In Genisis 19:8, he offers his virgin daughters to a rape mob to appease them. What family values!

Well, I think I have covered enough for now. Ask me if you want to know more or if you are confused about something.

Apart from what Marv has said, which I find quite amusing, you make the same mistake that I think many do, in two main things:

1) Because the Bible mentions something, you see it as advocating it - ie Saying it's a good thing. For example Lot's daughters.
2) You have taken many parts of the Bible out of context, and in isolation from the rest. The Bible was given to us to reveal God's character to us, His character is revealed over time - over the events in the Bible just as you know the character of your friends the more you get to know them.

Lastly, did you have a question? This is an Outreach area for people who have trouble understanding something or a question to as Christians, what is your question about all of this?

Cheers,
Digit

 

[Silent Enigma]

I think her question was, "how can you read this stuff an believe it?"

Well, I used to. But all the moral contradictions and such in the bible drew me into unbelief.

 

[Digit]

I think her question was, "how can you read this stuff an believe it?"

Well, I used to. But all the moral contradictions and such in the bible drew me into unbelief.

I think the issue comes about when people read it, instead of study it. It's not a story book. It's a guidebook, when something is contrary to our original thought on a matter, we are to ask why? (1 Thes 5:21)
When we have doubt, we are to surrender to God's will (Hebrewss 11). It's not that hard to understand, it's only when we are resistant to the idea, that we ourselves erect barriers and sear our conscience.

In fact my life as a Christian, for the simple deed of asking God to help me and giving my life over to Him, has improved dramatically. I can't really understand why no one else would want that, but I guess that's the thorn in God's side... free will.

Cheers,
Digit

 

[tapero]

If that's what you believe, that's what you believe.

I diddn't see any questions here

I will state I believe the bible contains the truth of God in as much as He's given us in the bible and many other truths. God is not evil, and in the Old Testament much judgement occured. He would not order evil to be done, so when people were killed; if God so commanded it was not evil.

Many times I find the created (you and me for example), think that we are better than the Creator. Since God created us, we are not better than Him. His compassion and love and mercy is limitless. On the other hand, His judgements are just and His wrath is let out when he passes judgement.

Now why people and animals and babies had to die in one place in the OT, maybe two places ( I believe just in one - not postive tho), I don't know, but God does, and I know he's just and fair and righteous, so I do not trouble myself with such things. I can't understand it, as it's not explained, but knowing what I know about God, I go back, to God is good ,righteous, holy, just, has wrath, and does send judgements.

All men are sinners. Lot offering his daughters is his doing not Gods.

you wrote:

GOD TOLD HIS PEOPLE (MORE THAN ONCE) TO BOIL AND EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN, WHICH THEY DID!

Deut. 28:53, 2 Kings 6:28-29, Lev 26:29, Jer. 19:9, Lam. 2:20, Ezek 5:10

God did not tell his people to do so, he told them what they were going to wind up doing due to their wickedness. It's called prophesying. It means this is going to occur, just as those without Christ will go to hell, is what will occur. That's all he stated above. Due to their wickedness, he knew what their evil would lead them to do and stated such would occur. He did not tell anyone to do what you wrote above.

Your second one about the baby was concerning a king, and what the women had done. God had not ordered it, and is not even mentioned in this. The women did what they did and that is what is told.

The next one is a judgement of God which would occur. God won't make them eat the flesh of sons and daughters, but famiine will lead them to such.

In the next one:

during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives.'

Note God said imposed on them by their enemies. God will not make them eat flesh of sons and daughters, the stress imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives will be the cause. God is passing judgement and knows what will occur.

Your next one from lamentations again is written about what will occur. If people eat their own children due to famine, they eat their own children. If God caused a judgement for famine to occur God passed a judgement, but he does not do evil nor tells others to do evil.

And your last one is also about famine. People today probably do the very same where there is famine. God in the scriptures you mentioned has passed judgement. What the people do is not God's doing, it is the people's doing.

On your next saying God goes against the 6th commandment which says do not murder. God does not murder. He kills or executes. God does not sin, so whenever you think he has, he has not. He can not sin, as sin is wrongdoing against God.

Again, as a created, sometimes the created feel they are better than God that they wouldn't carry out such judgments, but we were created and are the created, and the Creator is perfect, and holy and just and has wrath, which in the OT are His judgements. We are not, so we can't really say what God should be like, we can try, but I mean, we can't make him in our image, we are made in His image.

Understandable why people question things but when you read the bible and hear what is saying, you see why some things occured, and never know why other things occured. He didn't tell us why. But we know the truth, He is good, He never does evil, He is just, He is much more, and He does have wrath, and does pass judgement and as he is God and Creator of us all can do so.

I appreciate your list, and there's too much to address, and I feel a little futile as feel you wanted to make a statement, and not really having a questoin. Your post is a statement not a question. It's what you believe and that's what you believe.

The ot was full of judgment. Then Jesus came and did not come to judge. born of a virgin, tho he always existed, and is God and also man, he died for all our sins, and was resurrected. Judgement will again occur in the future, it's in the NT, starting with the tribulation and goes thru till the final battle and then the final judgement takes place.

Would you prefer God be different? Would you prefer God give us a bible that didn't speak of things which occured in it? Was thinking other day as posed similar question. I doubt that anyone would want a bible of fluff, and God surely didn't give us one. He is not deceptive and gave us what we need and is the truth if one believes such, which of course I do.

Anyway, just answered a few of your scritpures.

I've read the law, leviticus and can tell you it is pure love as well as is the 10 commandments. You can't see that, because you don't know God, but such is what it is, so is Jesus, so is Gods plan of redemption for those who believe in Him, and I guess that's about it.

I set out to understand why it seemed to me in the law in leviticus that God is down on woman. So what I did is read it several times. I came away realizing that the law is pure love, same as 10 commandments, but can understand why others would feel differntly. I saw pure provision, care, and protection and pure love. Same is in the 10 commandments. Neither which we are bound by today. Nonetheless pure love. Part of the ten commandments contains the moral laws and is alway in effect, and it's in our hearts.

God bless
tapero

The bible is a lie. This is clear as crystal to me and I can't believe anyone who actually takes the time to read it would think it to be true.
1. Christianity is a religion that is made up of bits and parts of other religions. Now, some of you are probably mad already. Just keep reading. I promise it is all true.
Christ was born of a virgin mothereek: sounds painful), died on a cross, and grants eternal life. Ok. So did plenty of gods who were revered and worshipped long before Christianity existed!
Examples:
OSIRIS: Egyptian god. He traveled the world showing kindness. His death is a familiar story: He was killed. He resurrected. He then becomes the god of the dead, granting ETERNAL LIFE. The ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead depicts this and shows his resurrected followers standing in his presence as he judges them. According to Plutarch, when these souls are set free and travel into the unknown, Osiris becomes their king. It is important to note that this was all some 1400 years before Jesus.
DIONYSUS: God of fertility/wine. Dionysus was the son of the god Zeus and the MORTAL WOMAN, Semele. Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth has this to say on the matter:
"The early Christians acknowledged that Dionysus (his Greek name) / Bacchus (his Latin name) came before Jesus. How? The Christian Father Justin Martyr, writing in the 100s AD, wrote that the Devil reading the Old Testament prophesies of the Messiah sent Bacchus early, to trick men about Jesus"
Grasping at straws, are we, Father Martyr?
PYTHAGORAS: This is the guy that gave us the Pythagorean Theorum. His followers fancied him like a god. He performed miracles--and so did his disciples--in his name!!! Much like Jesus' disciples. He also began a religion that believed in God and the immortal human soul.
2. 'God' repeatedly tells people to murder, despite the 6th commandment clearly stating that thou 'shalt not' do that.
(Exodus 17:8-14, Exodus 32:26-28, Leviticus 26:7-8, Numbers 15:32-36, Numbers 21:21-35, Numbers 25:4-13, NUMBERS 31!!!, Deuteronomy 2:30-34, Deuteronomy 20:10-17, Joshua 6:20-21,
Joshua 8:1-29, Joshua 10:12-14, just to name a few...)
3. There is a large amount of racism, sexism, and just plain pervertedness throughout the bible: If a man raped a woman who wasn't married yet, he just paid her father a fee and she HAD to marry him(he just raped her, so sick!)DEUT. 22:28-29. In Judges 19:24-29 a man gave his wife to a mob to protect himself. The mob gang-raped her all night and then killed her.

GOD TOLD HIS PEOPLE (MORE THAN ONCE) TO BOIL AND EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN, WHICH THEY DID!
Deut. 28:53, 2 Kings 6:28-29, Lev 26:29, Jer. 19:9, Lam. 2:20, Ezek 5:10

Lot was LOVED by God. In Genisis 19:8, he offers his virgin daughters to a rape mob to appease them. What family values!

Well, I think I have covered enough for now. Ask me if you want to know more or if you are confused about something.

 

[indagroove]

The bible is a lie. This is clear as crystal to me and I can't believe anyone who actually takes the time to read it would think it to be true.
1. Christianity is a religion that is made up of bits and parts of other religions.
Well, I think I have covered enough for now. Ask me if you want to know more or if you are confused about something.

Hi ! I am interested in knowing what religions Christianity was borrowed from ?

Thanks !

 

[MethodMan]

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