THIS is truth?

[Iollain]

Introduction
of St. Louis-Marie
1. It was through the Blessed Virgin Mary that Jesus came into the world, and it is also through her that he must reign in the world.

This is not so, the Apostles did not say this, Jesus never said this, the Written Word does not say this, this is discrimination to the Holy Ghost, this imo is really nasty, does not this scare anyone? Where is your fear of the Lord?

 

[Iollain]

When did the Spirit stop and Mary started?

 

[Iollain]

2. Because Mary remained hidden during her life she is called by the Holy Spirit and the Church "Alma Mater", Mother hidden and unknown. So great was her humility that she desired nothing more upon earth than to remain unknown to herself and to others, and to be known only to God.

3. In answer to her prayers to remain hidden, poor and lowly, God was pleased to conceal her from nearly every other human creature in her conception, her birth, her life, her mysteries, her resurrection and assumption. Her own parents did not really know her; and the angels would often ask one another, "Who can she possibly be?", for God had hidden her from them, or if he did reveal anything to them, it was nothing compared with what he withheld.

4. God the Father willed that she should perform no miracle during her life, at least no public one, although he had given her the power to do so. God the Son willed that she should speak very little although he had imparted his wisdom to her.

Even though Mary was his faithful spouse, God the Holy Spirit willed that his apostles and evangelists should say very little about her and then only as much as was necessary to make Jesus known.


And look at this bit of excuses........he is totally against all Biblical knowledge and he admits it as well!

 

[Iollain]

According to St. Bonaventure, all the angels in heaven unceasingly call out to her: "Holy, holy, holy Mary, Virgin Mother of God."

Why does this ring a bell in my head about .......oh yes....

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about [him]; and [they were] full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

 

[Iollain]

9. The whole world is filled with her glory


Num 14:21 But [as] truly [as] I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
Psa 72:19 And blessed [be] his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled [with] his glory; Amen, and Amen.

 

[Iollain]

If then, as is certain, the knowledge and the kingdom of Jesus Christ must come into the world, it can only be as a necessary consequence of the knowledge and reign of Mary. She who first gave him to the world will establish his kingdom in the world.

Where does he get this from?

Luk 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:


Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



This is the Spirit, not the Mary.

 

[IamAdopted]

If then, as is certain, the knowledge and the kingdom of Jesus Christ must come into the world, it can only be as a necessary consequence of the knowledge and reign of Mary. She who first gave him to the world will establish his kingdom in the world.

Oh boy.. Mary can no more establish a kingdom that you or I can. She was and is Jesus mother according to the flesh. Scripture has very little to say about Mary because it is not through Mary that anyone can be saved. It is through Christ.

 

[PassthePeace1]

14. With the whole Church I acknowledge that Mary, being a mere creature fashioned by the hands of God is, compared to his infinite majesty, less than an atom, or rather is simply nothing, since he alone can say, "I am he who is". Consequently, this great Lord, who is ever independent and self-sufficient, never had and does not now have any absolute need of the Blessed Virgin for the accomplishment of his will and the manifestation of his glory. To do all things he has only to will them.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

When did the Spirit stop and Mary started?

The Catholic Church continues to be guided by the Holy Spirit in all truth just as Jesus had promised for His Church.

Do you doubt this promise of the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all truth?

It goes like this:

Jesus put Peter in charge of the Church and gave all of His authority to him. (Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:17).

The Holy Spirit was given to Peter and the other apostles (John 20:22-23).

But Jesus prayed specifically for Peter (Luke 22:32).

The apostles appointed successors (Acts 1:20)

The Holy Spirit was then passed on from the apostles to their successors by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:18)

Everything in the Bible is the truth. But not all of the truth is contained in the Bible (at least not explicitly).

John 21:25
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."

When Jesus talks about "the seat of Moses", Jesus was making a reference to oral Tradition because the seat of Moses was not written anyplace in the Bible at that time.

Matthew 23:1-3
Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.

And we see in the Bible that "traditions of men" should not be followed but that we should follow the traditions that come from Jesus and were passed down from the apostles and their successors whether by word of mouth or by letter (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2)

And the Bible calls the Church, not itself, "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

Why does the Bible call the Church and not itself the pillar and foundation of truth? The Bible gives us the answer:

2 Peter 1:20
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation"

The Bible tells us that if we have a disagreement that we should take it to the Church (Matt. 18:17).

It would not make sense to take something to a Church that is invisible. How can you take something to a place if that place can't be found?

So, as we can see from scripture, Jesus intended for His Church to be very visible.

Luke 8:16
No one after lighting a lamp covers it with a vessel, or puts it under a bed, but puts it on a stand, that those who enter may see the light.

Matthew 5:14
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill can not be hidden.

Vatican City is a city on a hill. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

 

[IamAdopted]

Still does not give Mary any suprememcy..

 

[PassthePeace1]

Still does not give Mary any suprememcy..

 

[Iollain]

14. With the whole Church I acknowledge that Mary, being a mere creature fashioned by the hands of God is, compared to his infinite majesty, less than an atom, or rather is simply nothing, since he alone can say, "I am he who is". Consequently, this great Lord, who is ever independent and self-sufficient, never had and does not now have any absolute need of the Blessed Virgin for the accomplishment of his will and the manifestation of his glory. To do all things he has only to will them.

Yeah that is lovely, however that does not change a thing.

 

[Iollain]

The Catholic Church continues to be guided by the Holy Spirit in all truth just as Jesus had promised for His Church.

Do you doubt this promise of the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all truth?

It goes like this:

Jesus put Peter in charge of the Church and gave all of His authority to him. (Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:17).

The Holy Spirit was given to Peter and the other apostles (John 20:22-23).

But Jesus prayed specifically for Peter (Luke 22:32).

The apostles appointed successors (Acts 1:20)

The Holy Spirit was then passed on from the apostles to their successors by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:18)

Everything in the Bible is the truth. But not all of the truth is contained in the Bible (at least not explicitly).

John 21:25
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."

When Jesus talks about "the seat of Moses", Jesus was making a reference to oral Tradition because the seat of Moses was not written anyplace in the Bible at that time.

Matthew 23:1-3
Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.

And we see in the Bible that "traditions of men" should not be followed but that we should follow the traditions that come from Jesus and were passed down from the apostles and their successors whether by word of mouth or by letter (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2)

And the Bible calls the Church, not itself, "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

Why does the Bible call the Church and not itself the pillar and foundation of truth? The Bible gives us the answer:

2 Peter 1:20
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation"

The Bible tells us that if we have a disagreement that we should take it to the Church (Matt. 18:17).

It would not make sense to take something to a Church that is invisible. How can you take something to a place if that place can't be found?

So, as we can see from scripture, Jesus intended for His Church to be very visible.

Luke 8:16
No one after lighting a lamp covers it with a vessel, or puts it under a bed, but puts it on a stand, that those who enter may see the light.

Matthew 5:14
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill can not be hidden.

Vatican City is a city on a hill. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

Makes me wonder, yup.

 

[IamAdopted]

You can scream straw man all you want. But can you prove it to be? People scream fire alot just to get attention is this what this is all about all this stawman? Mary is not in charge of any kindgom. She is part of Gods Kingdom now in Her heavenly Home. She is not supreme. Only God is the supreme ruler.

 

[kepha31]

IamAdopted,
Would you please stop saying Mary is supreme???
If not, can you at least have the decency to provide one official Catholic document in a 2000 year period, that so much as suggests Mary is supreme? You can't because none exists. Blessed among all woman, yes, and its even in your bible, in case you haven't noticed. But supremacy?? In what and how do you come to such a ridiculous insane conclusion that Catholics hold her supreme????

And quit trying to throw Mary out of the Bible!!!

 

[IamAdopted]

IamAdopted,
Would you please stop saying Mary is supreme???
If not, can you at least have the decency to provide one official Catholic document in a 2000 year period, that so much as suggests Mary is supreme? You can't because none exists. Blessed among all woman, yes, and its even in your bible, in case you haven't noticed. But supremacy?? In what and how do you come to such a ridiculous insane conclusion that Catholics hold her supreme????

And quit trying to throw Mary out of the Bible!!!

I am responding to the OP and you are responding to what? Throw Mary out of the bible? The bible says very little about Mary. Read it for yourself. The bible is about Christ.

 

[Axion]

Iollain. I fear you seem to be turning into one of these people who searches endlessly through thousands of pages of writings looking for a few lines to be offended by. (usually out of context with all that is around it)

This is not profitable.

 

[iannassah]

"Brethren,
if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted."
Galatians 6:1

i too, get fired up about these things... to be blunt, particularly heresy. It urks me to no end that people claim things without reading God's Word for themselves to find out whether what they are being taught is truth or not... we are so blessed to have God's Word when there are millions upon millions of people that have never even heard the Name Jesus... they think that He must be a guy in the next village. We have the truth and the opportunity to read and learn from it and to have a personal relationship with God!!!

Shalom,
iannassah

"Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?
Jeremiah 32:27​

 

[TheMimic]

Jesus Christ is King!
looks like you guys got it handled here! Keep up the good work!

 

[lionroar0]

Still does not give Mary any suprememcy..

And no one said it does.

Peace