*This* is the problem with "New CF"

[GreenMunchkin]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

The direct link doesn't work... so here's the URL: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172452

And if that doesn't work, here's the direct pathway:

IIDB > IIDB Philosophical Forums > General Religious Discussions Internet Infidels deconverts: the asymmetry of conversion at IIDB

 

[MMXII]

I believe you must be a member at IIDB to see any post there.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

No, you can view all posts as a guest.

 

[MMXII]

Ah, then the problem must be on my end.

 

[SredniVashtar]

No, you cannot view all posts as a guest, some forums are "hidden" to guests. ~~Elsewhere~~ is one of those forums. ~~E~~ is where the thread dedicated to CF griping and CF camraderie is located. You need to register and then you can access the forums that are normally hidden from guest users.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Seriously? Because the stuff you can see as a guest is *hideous*, and it gets worse if you're a member?

Don't even know what to say.

 

[MMXII]

It is for "Internet Infidels".

 

[CyberPaladin]

Ah, then the problem must be on my end.

I'm also getting the error message MMXII they might have taken the page down if it makes them look really bad and they know we are linking to it. I just did a little lurking on that board and I had know idea there was such an organized effort against us.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

It's still there. Along with threads supporting paedophilia and bestiality and a world of blasphemy. We actually share members and mods. If anyone can explain how that's not an affront to God, I'd be grateful, but as things stand, am thinking up ways to destroy the internet.

 

[MMXII]

It's still there. Along with threads supporting paedophilia and bestiality and a world of blasphemy. We actually share members and mods. If anyone can explain how that's not an affront to God, I'd be grateful, but as things stand, am thinking up ways to destroy the internet.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Actually I would say that might be source cause of the unrest. But the actaul problem is that CF has given in to unbelievers demands.

 

[Joykins]

Since you asked.

I only went to IIDB because I was invited there by a member here who is a friend. I was a member here first. I really only posted on the CF thread there at first. I didn't really want to go to an atheist site because I knew the site was not for religious people. However, some folks that are here do apologetics in the religion forums on IIDB also, and from time to time I stick my toe into those waters, but they're pretty hostile waters.

~~Elsewhere~~ is where IIDB mods move threads having to do with other forums and other silliness or derailments. It's kind of like their basement. The CF thread is about other forums so it got moved there and stayed around forever. When CF did not allow much open discussion of policy or mod actions, a lot of it went to IIDB's CF thread.

Is the CF thread a horrible place? I have seen a lot of both good and bad there, I guess. I like most of the people there or I wouldn't hang out there--but I like most people so there ya go --some are Christian, some are not, some are nice and some are not, some are liberal, some are not (ask drstevej )--but my presence should not be taken for agreement with everything anyone says there. I stand by my own words only. When I was Ombudsman and felt compelled to play CF politics I found the information there also valuable.

ETA: I am also interested in why people deconvert from Christianity, in the sense that if there's anything we can do to prevent it, I want to know that.

 

[Albion]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

GM, this is stunning info that you should bring to our attention IMO. Can you name names, if they are people we normally deal with on the usual denominational forums, for example. In doing that, I would ask that you exclude any who have not actually posted something mocking or to the effect of being happy to have led people away, etc., in view of Joykins' contention that some may be there without intending to work against us.

 

[Sothron]

GM, this is stunning info that you should bring to our attention IMO. Can you name names, if they are people we normally deal with on the usual denominational forums, for example. In doing that, I would ask that you exclude any who have not actually posted something mocking or to the effect of being happy to have led people away, etc., in view of Joykins' contention that some may be there without intending to work against us.

I agree with Albion. How can one possibly represent a site supposedly about Christ and also represent a site that denounces His existence let alone His divinity?

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

I'm feeling a little ill about this myself. I won't even stick my foot in there though cause I just end up getting angry.

Thanks for bringing it our attention GM because I think we need to be aware of it.

PS. That option to put certain people on your "ignore" list does wonders GM...you should try it!

 

[CyberPaladin]

Probably best if you don't go there Lady I did it was what I expected from a bucnh athesist with an axe to grind against Christians.

I do have to respectfully disagree with you about using the block mostly because I like to an eye on those that have opinions counter to my own just something to think about.

 

[WannaWitness]

Ewww! I shudder at the very thought of such a forum!

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Plus, can't put a mod on ignore. Ravenscape is both a mod there, and a recently democratically appointed mod here. I heard CaDan is a mod there, but I couldn't see his name. Seebs is a mod there, and he's the same guy that created UberChristians which is even worse than IIDB, because it pretends to be a Christian site. Lots and lots of disgruntled CFers went there when it was more conservative, and apparently Uber was another place with a whole load of back-room campaigning.

IIDB also has a mod called SphericalTime who is here. As to particular people, I didn't stay long enough to look. Spending 2 minutes there makes you feel toxic.

You know, they pretty much own CF now. We ought to go there en masse and make *that* a Christian Forum. What's good for the goose n all that. Plus, from this thread, we have the post I've quoted below, from an Admin. So obviously it's a foregone conclusion that this place is gonna continue to sink further and further into apostasy. We're all gonna need a new home, anyway.

It will not affect the high regard both of my new members of staff are held in. To be frank no matter how much you moan and complain, the new staff will not be removed and more Non-Christians will follow.

To be perfectly honest, no one forces anyone to be here, we all have free will and we all have the little x in the corner of our screens. If I don't like a place, then I leave. What is the point in staying somwhere that causes you so much angst and upset.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Probably best if you don't go there Lady I did it was what I expected from a bucnh athesist with an axe to grind against Christians.

I do have to respectfully disagree with you about using the block mostly because I like to an eye on those that have opinions counter to my own just something to think about.

That's true CP...but I've noticed that certain members posts are almost always the same. So for my own peace of mind I've blocked them from my view. What's nice though is that you can check out any of their posts if you think they may have posted something you need to read. I'm sorry, I know that seems rude...but if it wasn't an option I probably wouldn't be able to handle some of the threads I've been involved in recently.