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Introverted1293

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Yikes. This smacks really hard of modernists doing something because "they can". In fact this is a problem with modernism in general. The lack of moral consideration. We are not equipped by God or nature to make such decisions. This is the kind of technological thought that leads or works with things like China's birth policies, inspired IVF (which usually kills some babies), etc. It is an anti-life, and anti-God act, even if those involved in it don't understand it. We need to back off of this sort of nonsense. Science should be put to work on cancer, hearing, blindness, etc. Instead we went gonzo with micro electronics and made amazing computers that we carry in our pockets and double as phones, but have destroyed interpersonal communication, manners, privacy decency and serenity, but also puts pretty much all of mans knowledge at our fingertips, so that we no longer use our brains to think. We can read all the great philosophers, (but we still don't ;-)), yet we're hard pressed to know how to carry through on a philosophical thought as intellectual exercise or to understand and form world views. Look....I mean, I'm NOT anti-tech, as this may come off. This post itself is high tech, being done on a computer, and avoiding facial expression, tone, etc. which all normally help us in conveying intent and emotion in communication. It's just that we've reached a point where we CAN do most everything. We now need to spend a LOT more time deciding whether or not we SHOULD do each new thing that we come up with. Look at impacts on all aspects of human community, with some important exceptions for life saving and certain treatments for diseases and immunology, I am generally against elective medicine and genetic sciences. We're starting to take steps into areas of science not really intended for man. We've outstripped our universal roles. I shouldn't and don't worry about it too much, because the Lord and nature will eventually correct whatever is wrong, I just don't relish the correction that will be doled out. At least I'm in my sixties, but I do have grandchildren etc.. In some ways we're leaving a good place for them, but I think we may have messed up more that we have solved in many areas. I'm happy to hear that those in school are a least discussing these things.

Thank you very much for your reply. I do agree with you. But I would rather that they do that instead murdering other children because they are the wrong gender. But I do and still agree that we probably shouldn't mess with nature as well unless of course it is to save somebody's life.
 
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Historically, before abortion was available, many babies were killed either because they were the wrong sex or just because the parents couldn't afford them. These babies were typically "exposed" -- thrown outside and left to die. It appears that no one wanted to just kill them outright, which would have been more merciful (in my opinion). One of King Saul's children was "lame in the feet" supposedly because he was left to die, but someone rescued him.

Today of course, that's "infanticide" and prosecuted as a form of murder in nearly all countries. Abortion is considered a "lesser" form of murder and is mostly legal today. The use of the new technologies to select gender is a *much* less evil method, and certainly ought to be considered ethical in some cases, though I find it troubling in general.

Thank you very much. That was very informative.
 
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So, I am reading psychology for my class. And did you know that people can actually go and choose the gender of their child if they wanted to? I don't know where they go and do this, but they can. If someone wanted a boy, they can go somewhere and have maybe a scientist or a doctor, (I don't really know) by inactivating a Y or X chromosome before conception. That is weird.

So, my question is, do you think that is morally wrong to do something like that? We are reading about this in my Psych class. And I just want to know what you think. This is illegal in 36 nations, but it is not illegal here in the U.S.

Do you think it should be illegal?

My advice is don't get medical advice from a psychology text book. There are no x/y sperm inactivation methods

Do I think we should make something illegal that doesn't exist? I think there's more pressing matters to consider.
 
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My advice is don't get medical advice from a psychology text book. There are no x/y sperm inactivation methods

Do I think we should make something illegal that doesn't exist? I think there's more pressing matters to consider.

Okay

I'm not really an expert on psychology. And there have been times when they were wrong. So, I don't know enough to argue with you and you could be right.
 
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Whether or not scientists have found a way to perform such, obviously it's being thought about.

If you're looking to make thinking about stuff illegal, I would say you have watched Minority Report a few too many times.
 
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If you're looking to make thinking about stuff illegal, I would say you have watched Minority Report a few too many times.
I'm not and I've never heard of Minority Report.
 
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I'm not sure how the technique works. (It could have its own ethical considerations.)

Barring that, it is selective contraception. Contraception does not violate the Bible as long as it is not abortifacient. (You can't kill somebody who is not yet alive.)

(My wife & I are Quiverfull, so we eschewed medically unnecessary contraception as a rule. We don't expect others to do that apart from their own personal conviction.)

Whoa, be careful there. The basis of anti-abortion threads on this forum is no humans are "not yet alive." As that statement fits into this topic, the word contraception is self-explanatory: preventing conception. If a sperm and ova have already joined to produce a zygote, the gender selection is not contraception.
 
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If a sperm and ova have already joined to produce a zygote, the gender selection is not contraception.
IUD's eject a completed zygote. Hormonal contraception can do the same thing (as a side effect).

In vitro fertilization is not abortion, either, but the standard practice is to implant multiple zygotes and, subsequently, abort all but the most successful one.

That is why I said there might be some ethical considerations in the process itself.
 
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If a sperm and ova have already joined to produce a zygote, the gender selection is not contraception.
In theory, gender selection occurs before conception. This is done by stationing a "bouncer" at the doorway to turn away all male (Y) or female (X) sperm. Mom's ovum is always X.

(I do not know the specifics of the process to know if it is completely ethical or not.)
 
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It is still not contraception if a sperm and ova conceive because the woman gets pregnant.

I think the process is IVF (in-vitro fertilization), which basically is conception in a petri dish. The zygote is then implanted into the woman's uterus. This procedure was invented to help ocuples who can't conceive naturally. The ethical issue, if I am correct, is instead of using a husband's sperm, scientists get sperm at a "sperm bank" so often nobody knows who the father is, including the parents.
 
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It is still not contraception if a sperm and ova conceive because the woman gets pregnant.
I agree.
The ethical issue, if I am correct, is instead of using a husband's sperm, scientists get sperm at a "sperm bank" so often nobody knows who the father is, including the parents.
That is one ethical issue. Implanting seven zygotes with the intention of aborting [the least successful] six is certainly another.

As stated in my last post, the gender selection, referred to in the OP, occurs before conception.
 
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Then there is Octomom, whose doctor had his medical license revoked after letting her have 14 children - all as a young single celibate.
Are you saying that a plan that requires subsequent abortions can be ethical...?
 
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Are you saying that a plan that requires subsequent abortions can be ethical...?

The problem in her case was she wanted too many kids. If there were moreb than she could care for she was going to keep all of them no matter what. I doubt it would be big national news if the doctor stopped at her first set of twins.
 
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