Third Palestinian murdered by the IDF in Gaza

[TG123]

Please take care to notice that there are no rockets falling on Israel. Neither the Palestinian man who was shot or the two others were shooting at the IDF or Israelis. They simply got too close to the fence that Israel erected.

He was walking on his own land and got too close for an Israeli soldiers' comfort.

So he was shot and killed.


Don't forget this the next time Israel or its supporters will say that killings of Palestinians are only in "self-defence" or a "response" to rocket attacks.
Hamas: IDF soldiers kill Palestinian along Gaza border

IDF spokesman says soldiers opened fire after dozens of Palestinians approached the border fence in northern Gaza; victim identified as 21-year-old Anwar Al-Mamlouk, who was reportedly studying for an exam.

By Reuters | Jan.11, 2013 | 8:42 PM |

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IDF soldiers on the Gaza border, March 2009. Photo by AP






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Hamas: IDF soldiers kill Palestinian along Gaza border - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

 

[SanFrank]

It turns out a group of palestinians were invading a sovereign nation by cutting the fence and trying to pass through. The same thing happened a week ago without any casualties. Warning shots were fired to no avail. Defensive measures in light of an invasion seemed like a reasonable military decision by IDF and obviously casualties were the result.

 

[SanFrank]

Rather than point out these incidents, you could be advertising honorable actions by IDF. Here an IDF captain risked his life to save a group of palestinians trapped in floodwaters, 1/10/13.


IDF Captain Saves Palestinians Trapped in Floodwater

 

[TG123]

It turns out a group of palestinians were invading a sovereign nation by cutting the fence and trying to pass through. The same thing happened a week ago without any casualties. Warning shots were fired to no avail. Defensive measures in light of an invasion seemed like a reasonable military decision by IDF and obviously casualties were the result.

How do you know they were cutting the fence? How do you know there were warning shots fired? Where in the article does it say that?

Would it be also in your view justified if Palestinians and Bedouin in the West Bank and Negev shot Israeli soldiers for doing much more provocative things that just approaching them... like destroying homes, closing down shops (and in that way making whole families lose their source of income), allowing settlers to attack, throwing sound grenades at people in the market who were not being violent towards them?... things that are much more violent than approaching a fence. Or would you call that terrorism?

Hamas also calls their Qassam strikes 'defensive'. It is sickening that you attack one form of terrorism while defending another.

 

[TG123]

Rather than point out these incidents, you could be advertising honorable actions by IDF. Here an IDF captain risked his life to save a group of palestinians trapped in floodwaters, 1/10/13.


IDF Captain Saves Palestinians Trapped in Floodwater

That's great he did that. It doesn't change the terrorism and murders and beatings and house demolitions perpetrated by the IDF against the Palestinians.

Much like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt inviting exiled Egyptian Jews back to their country and saying they have a right to live there doesn't change the fact that Morsi terrorizes and represses his people, in particular his non-Muslim subjects.

Muslim Brotherhood official calls on Egyptian Jews to return | The Times of Israel

 

[conamer]

That's great he did that. It doesn't change the terrorism and murders and beatings and house demolitions perpetrated by the IDF against the Palestinians.

Much like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt inviting exiled Egyptian Jews back to their country and saying they have a right to live there doesn't change the fact that Morsi terrorizes and represses his people, in particular his non-Muslim subjects.

Muslim Brotherhood official calls on Egyptian Jews to return | The Times of Israel

Morsi's 'apes and pigs' comments highlight Obama's Egyptian problem, experts say | The Daily Caller

 

[TG123]

Morsi's 'apes and pigs' comments highlight Obama's Egyptian problem, experts say | The Daily Caller

Exactly. Claiming that the humane invitation of a Muslim Brotherhood member of the Jews back to Egypt somehow makes up for the words of this clown is like claiming that the noble actions of some IDF members somehow make up for the murders, beatings and abuses being carried out by the IDF against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[seeking Christ]

throwing sound grenades at people in the market

Sound grenades and rubber bullets are not terrorism. Or if they are, let Hamas and Palestinians start using them instead of firing rockets from inside their schools and other civilian areas.

 

[Adaephon]

Lord have mercy on those poor peoples' souls. Someday, there will be justice for Palestine, and Israel's leaders will be called to account for their cruelty.

 

[conamer]

Exactly. Claiming that the humane invitation of a Muslim Brotherhood member of the Jews back to Egypt somehow makes up for the words of this clown is like claiming that the noble actions of some IDF members somehow make up for the murders, beatings and abuses being carried out by the IDF against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

I'm not buying your claim of moral relativism in the bigger picture of history.

 

[TG123]

Sound grenades and rubber bullets are not terrorism. Or if they are, let Hamas and Palestinians start using them instead of firing rockets from inside their schools and other civilian areas.

... but getting near a fence is?

BTW the young man shot in Gaza today was not shot with a rubber bullet. Neither was the man killed a few hours ago in the West Bank.
IDF troops kill Palestinian attempting to cross West Bank security barrier - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Rubber bullets have killed Palestinian kids in the past, btw. But I guess they weren't American or Canadian or Israeli kids so it isn't terrorism according to people like you.

http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files2/update_september_1.1989.pdf

 

[Adaephon]

... but getting near a fence is?

BTW the young man shot in Gaza today was not shot with a rubber bullet. Neither was the man killed a few hours ago in the West Bank.
IDF troops kill Palestinian attempting to cross West Bank security barrier - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

Rubber bullets have killed Palestinian kids in the past, btw. But I guess they weren't American or Canadian or Israeli kids so it isn't terrorism according to people like you.

http://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files2/update_september_1.1989.pdf

Since when has Israel ever bothered using rubber bullets when they can just use live ammunition to make an example of people anyways? Remember Nakba Day a few years back when they slaughtered a few protestors on one of the borders? Think it was the Lebanese one. Decided to disperse a crowd of Nakba Day protestors by killing a few.

 

[TG123]

Two Palestinian men was shot dead today... one in Gaza and now one in the West Bank. He was seeking to cross the barrier that annexes much of the West Bank to look for work. His name was Odai al Daewarish. He was 21 years old. No mention of him carrying any weapons or belonging to an armed group. Just looking for work.

Murdered with a bullet.

So far, four unarmed Palestinians have been murdered by the IDF since the "ceasefire" with Hamas came into effect. Rockets fired from Gaza: zero. Palestinians shot dead by the Israeli army: four.

Who is the aggressor?

 

[Lilly Owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUoZGnvZwNY

Look, one of the greatest weapons the Jews ever crafted was the term: "Antisemitic". Anyone who speaks truth about Israel or the Jews, Or the Israeli governments murderous actions, are labeled Antisemitic.

And that singular word is intended to manipulate all observations toward one end:That Israel is yet again a victim and never ever the aggressor.
Dismiss they are an aggressor, and you're antisemitic. Weep that they are perpetual victims, and you're not.


Rachel Corrie, U.S. activist killed by Israel bulldozer, brought it "upon herself," (*Israeli*)court says

Christians and Americans in particular are led to believe this is true. Probably because Israel is our ally. Probably because our faith was born from the Jewish.
And it is that which is our mistake. Because we forget God's chosen people of the Bible were the Jews. That Jesus first came only to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That's what it says in the new testament. That is the doctrine that we follow, as Christians. Who were included in salvation when Paul said Jesus extended his message and God his grace to the Gentiles as well.
But what we fail to remember in embracing that good news, is that in the old testament whenever God wanted to destroy people, a tribe, enslave a race, slaughter his enemies, he used the Jews to do it.



The mistake in the 21st century, just as in the 20th, is to think the Jews in Israel are meek, victims, set upon and do nothing at all to be the aggressors toward those they call enemy.

Israel is just as capable and worthy of being called terrorist as are their enemies.
And why? Because they claim God deeded them a patch of sand!
And what do they do in defense of that!? They insure it runs bloody. They erect a wall, which is a land grab. They forbid settlements from drilling wells so they might obtain life saving water for themselves, rather than pay Israel a water bill, because Israel claims that water beneath that patch of sand is theirs to control.
God let the water run. Israel claims they own it.

The tragedy here is that innocent people are murdered. The obscenity here is that Israel wants the world to think they're not at all responsible for their share of the death that occurs.

Is that Antisemitic?
Sure! That's what some may charge.

But then again, one word does not really dismiss the truth. It simply proves there is one more weapon incorporated into Israel's propaganda, so as to hope to kill that too!

 

[seeking Christ]

Exactly. Claiming that the humane invitation of a Muslim Brotherhood member of the Jews back to Egypt

This is not an intelligible phrase. What did you mean to say?

 

[SanFrank]

How do you know they were cutting the fence? How do you know there were warning shots fired? Where in the article does it say that?

Would it be also in your view justified if Palestinians and Bedouin in the West Bank and Negev shot Israeli soldiers for doing much more provocative things that just approaching them... like destroying homes, closing down shops (and in that way making whole families lose their source of income), allowing settlers to attack, throwing sound grenades at people in the market who were not being violent towards them?... things that are much more violent than approaching a fence. Or would you call that terrorism?

Hamas also calls their Qassam strikes 'defensive'. It is sickening that you attack one form of terrorism while defending another.

Your sources differ from mine : Report: IDF fire kills Palestinian in Gaza - Israel News, Ynetnews

In any case, push comes to shove in israel and outsiders view these squirmishes from different perspectives and build antagonism towards one side. That is the problem with bringing these incidents onto a forum like this. You have now started several pro-palestinian threads in the last several months and that needs to be reviewed by the mods I think.

 

[Adaephon]

Your sources differ from mine : Report: IDF fire kills Palestinian in Gaza - Israel News, Ynetnews

In any case, push comes to shove in israel and outsiders view these squirmishes from different perspectives and build antagonism towards one side. That is the problem with bringing these incidents onto a forum like this. You have now started several pro-palestinian threads in the last several months and that needs to be reviewed by the mods I think.

Oh classic, someone dares question the so-called "chosen people" on a Christian forum, so you need to make sure the mods shut him up, is that it? Can't have anyone pointing out Israel's crimes now, can we? Might soil our little fantasy of Israel as some democratic beacon of light in the region.

What a crock.




“Pontius Pilate was the first great censor and Jesus Christ the first great victim of censorship” --Ben Lindsey

 

[SanFrank]

I dont need to defend israel and that is more evident when no body points out palestinian crimes. Should we start listing them all out?

 

[Adaephon]

I dont need to defend israel

No, you don't. You simply chose to do so.

and that is more evident when no body points out palestinian crimes. Should we start listing them all out?

No one here is pretending there aren't Palestinian wrongdoings. We leave that for the people who make venerating the modern, secular state of Israel literally a part of their theology. But many of us feel the crimes of Palestine are vastly outweighed by the injustices perpetuated against them for generations now.

 

[seeking Christ]

I'm sorry but it is virtually impossible to "outweigh" the practice of firing rockets, unprovoked, from civilian centers, much less a school. Any practice of using civilian shields is unconscionable, but these people turn it into an art form.

There is nothing, nothing to compete with that.