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Thinking Too Much

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My wife has always accused me of thinking too much. And she's right. And I REALLY think that most other people often think too much, especially when they think about God.

Thinking about God in Heaven is great. Don't get me wrong. But us humans REALLY need to remember that "knowing God", means that we CAN and SHOULD live with many unanswered questions.

You see, when we DO have questions we can, if we choose to, remember what God said to Job (38:4) after all of Job's affliction and loss. In all of Job's doubts about how he could now possibly live on, AFTER all his loss of earthly possessions: God asks him, "Where were YOU when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me if you have understanding." What I think God was really saying here, in this question of Job, considering ALL of the questions Job had about God, and ALL the calamity which had come upon his life, wasn't God asking Job, "Hey, Job, how do you think things could have been different, considering ALL which I have created for you and everyone else here on Earth? Could YOU have done better, Job? Yes, Job, how is YOUR life so much more important than all of THIS, which I have made??"

You see, we all draw our conclusions as to what we think the actions of God in the world are all about. "Why did this or that happen?", we ask. Yes, why the world wide destruction of cities and their inhabitants? Why all the disease and famine and casualties of war? Why God? What IS the purpose of all this?

But, my Friends, the world is not about us. Life is not about what we think or know, or even about the people in our lives and what they think about us. Job's friends judged him by what was happening in his life. People around you judge you by how you look and dress, and what kind of car you drive or house you live in. And YOU do the same yourself, right?

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Dear Lord, thank You for giving us Your Perfect Word to go by. Thank You for giving us a Way for us to come DIRECTLY to You, Oh Father! Yes, it is YOUR Word which always brings us and our world to focus on ONE Man, ONE idea and ONE Savior! The ONLY Savior. Show us daily, God, remind us that our consuming interest on self CAN be re-directed to You, THROUGH the Bible. Help us enter Your Word, for THERE is YOUR entrance into OUR World and OUR lives! In Jesus Name we thank You. Amen.

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The Bible is SURELY trying to get us, like God did with Job, to face a life and a world with HIM in it. Yes, God's Word want us to MAKE that change in our life, by allowing God to lift us up beyond ourselves, so that you and I can be consumed by the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God, INSTEAD of ourselves! Do you see this? I am sure you can.

Let us re-direct our passion by desiring to be brought back to our feet, to FACE our Father God! How else can we catch a glimpse of His Glory and receive deliverance, my Friends? From our jobs or our bank accounts, or our own image in the mirror, or what others think of us? Can we stop talking to ourselves all the time and start focusing on God more often?

Our self-consuming prattle of what we are to do next in our lives, will not bring us back to our repentance. Rather, let us SEEK the evidence of our repentance, let us LOOK for how we are turning around in our lives! Only THAT will bring you back to God. And please don't try so much to understand God, but try to repent by looking at your worship. Can you do that? People only end up imploding upon themselves when all they do is question God and His motives. Let JESUS bring you closer to knowledge of the Father and how you worship Him.

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Thank You, God, for revealing Yourself to us. Release us from our bondage of self, Father, please. Help me let You touch me at the core of my greatest need, so that I will never be the same again! You have made yourself visible through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And please, at the times of my greatest failures, help me feel my lostness without You. Thank You, Dear God. Tommy

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And John tells us about those who only glorify themselves, instead of glorifying only their Father in Heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ, ".... for they (the Pharisees) loved the glory that comes from man more than the glory that comes from God." (John 12:43).

Let God fill you with His Word. LET Jesus' Cross show you His Holiness. Then let yourself tremble in this Glory as you picture His Sacrifice. Let it work in your soul, and let Jesus take your guilt away by being the Atonement for your soul. Yes, put yourself in His hands and let this Work be known to others through your actions and deeds of humility. He heals your wounds. THIS is the answer to EVERY question, Christian! Isn't it?

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The point of this post, is that the most revealing thing about a human being is the personal vision they have of what they think about God.

We can't let our prosperity ( all we all have prosperity, compared to 3rd world countries ) lull us into a mindset of being "casual" in the things of God, and in the way we worship Him. The human worship of God surely seems to have less and less impact on the daily routine of life. Going to church ends up being a tradition or a habit, while the persons' individual life continues to remain the same, year after year. Yes, the humans only walk of faith is in their claim to be a Christian.

Is your life distinguishable from the world around you, from the different people you know OUTSIDE of your familiar church family?

This post declares, "The ultimate value of a human being is NOT his or her self-concept or personal achievements, but actually how that individual person conceives God to be like.

In other words, isn't EXACTLY what we think of God the clearest and most-profound condition of what our spiritual future will BE like? Affirming the existence of God to ourselves, or our church family, does not automatically imply that we have an actual contact with Him. The urgency and relevance of JUST Who God is, will describe a person's need for God. And if we do not address God's Holiness, all other questions and investigations into God surely, surely fall short, don't you think?? LOOK at the Bible closely and SEE the mystery of how God affected people in their lives. LOOK at those you know personally to SEE how they were DIRECTLY affected by God's Presence. How were they changed? How were YOU changed?

And even the angels hid their faces when God entered the temple which Isaiah viewed in his vision (Ch.6:2).

What should THIS remind us of? The angels were sinless and THEY shrunk from viewing God's Face !! Shouldn't THIS get our attention of His Holiness, and how we should attempt approaching God in our minds? Shouldn't THIS quell our many questions and doubts about God's Presence in our daily lives?

Shouldn't it?
 

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This is a really good post and thank you for posting it. It is not a solve all (and I don't think you meant it to be) but it does put alot of questioning and doubt in perspective. I personally was "confronted" with questions like Job and I was just as dumbstruck and more so. I came to realize that God is just God right by Himself and there is no way my finite mind can fully comprehend a infinite mind. I do not have the power to even behold Him in all His glory...no wonder the very angels in heaven hide their faces! It also makes it easier when trials come my way, I mean true hardships, I can "abide under the shadow of the Almighty" because to do otherwise is fruitless. God is author of this earth, it was and is not all about me, it is about His will and His plan and I am but a very small part. In that small role, I have the opportunity to accept His gift of salvation and rise above what is happening around me and find rest. It is through prayer that I can repent, draw close, and intercede and yes find answers to those hard questions.
 
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No, I disagree. The more answers you have, the better off you are.

The problem, people are stupid and when they learn the certain truth to certain things, the can't handle it properley and make horrible decisions based on impulses.

And when people don' have all the answers (usually the case), we make accusations, get carried away by feelings, and act irrationally.

And we shouldn't doubt because some guy had a vision? Yeah, I'm going to wait till I have a vision (non drug-related) before I stop asking questions. But until those questions are answered I'm not making any conclusions.

The minute we stop asking questions and doubting is the minute we are vulnreable to the insanity of the world.
 
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Having been accused of "thinking too much", more often than was appreciated, and having groaned in my spirit for an answer to my accusers, this then is the word which came to mind -

When our thoughts are evil, any thinking is too much.

But when our thoughts are good, all the thinking is not enough !

After having replied several times with this saying, ( which promptly stopped the mouths of would be accusers ), it appears that such an attempt to accuse has been largely abandoned - while the search for another spot which needs cleansing/strengthening goes on...

May The Lord Be Magnified in Heaven and Earth !

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As for spending a lot of time thinking about things which are beyond our current comprehension/need to know... well, yea, that can be a problem, 'cause it can distract us from more pressing/pertinent matters at hand.

Once when doing this to no avail -

The following came to mind:

Don't dwell on the things you don't understand, dwell on the things you do - for that's where the profiting is to be had.

Thanks Be to God !

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Regarding "what we think about God" -

This is wont to apply:

Emotion = how we see our self + our situation.

Attitude = how we see our self + others.

Disposition = how we see our self + God.


Of these three the last is the greatest, and the first is the least.

The last is slower to develop, and more deeply rooted.

The first is quick to form, and swift to flee.

And the middle is in the middle because it's neither of these extremes.

Yet, they all are interrelated and interactive within the composition of our own unique individuality.

With it being paramount that our disposition be "healed"/enlightened; for then our attitudes and emotions have a good basis or foundation upon which to grow or be governed by.

May The Lord Be Pleased !

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Yes, yawl, us humans truly love ourselves in our many attempts to "figure things out". But often, VERY often, we fail in this "figuring" because of our lack of a certain habit: we haven't trained ourselves to seek God's help first. Do you see what I mean? We're consistently getting the proverbial "cart" before the "horse". We go to our mental processes by going, "Hmmmmm", first. Then we scratch our heads in this or that level of confusion, WHICH we call "thinking". THIS is what I mean by thinking too much ....... the incessant habit we have of putting our "figuring" mechanism into gear BEFORE we put our "prayer" gears into motion.

You see, it's the habit and NOT the action which should be concerning us. Habits, left unchecked, can EASILY fall into our "subconscious zones" of mentality, unbeknownst us, then suddenly arise later on as strongholds. Thusly, when we habitually go to our "figuring" attempts, we have unconsciously taught ourselves to by-pass our usage of the "praying gears". And that's where satan steps in, egging us on to continue this "by pass", so that we look more and more to the things of the world and NOT the things of God.

Does this make any sense, or am I again thinking too much?

:) tommy
 
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As for spending a lot of time thinking about things which are beyond our current comprehension/need to know... well, yea, that can be a problem, 'cause it can distract us from more pressing/pertinent matters at hand.

Once when doing this to no avail -

The following came to mind:

Don't dwell on the things you don't understand, dwell on the things you do - for that's where the profiting is to be had.

Thanks Be to God !

wm

wat. Why bother thinking about things you already understand? We should have a thirst for that we do not understand. If people didn't think about what they didn't understand then we wouldn't have the breakthroughs and inventions we have today! we understand nothing in the beginning, and we never do until we try.
 
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Yes, yawl, us humans truly love ourselves in our many attempts to "figure things out". But often, VERY often, we fail in this "figuring" because of our lack of a certain habit: we haven't trained ourselves to seek God's help first. Do you see what I mean? We're consistently getting the proverbial "cart" before the "horse". We go to our mental processes by going, "Hmmmmm", first. Then we scratch our heads in this or that level of confusion, WHICH we call "thinking". THIS is what I mean by thinking too much ....... the incessant habit we have of putting our "figuring" mechanism into gear BEFORE we put our "prayer" gears into motion.

You see, it's the habit and NOT the action which should be concerning us. Habits, left unchecked, can EASILY fall into our "subconscious zones" of mentality, unbeknownst us, then suddenly arise later on as strongholds. Thusly, when we habitually go to our "figuring" attempts, we have unconsciously taught ourselves to by-pass our usage of the "praying gears". And that's where satan steps in, egging us on to continue this "by pass", so that we look more and more to the things of the world and NOT the things of God.

Does this make any sense, or am I again thinking too much?

:) tommy

Making a little sense. thinking is different from praying, thus why it's called thinking and not praying. Thinking leads to scientific breakthroughs, Praying leads to spritual and (sometimes) emotinal breakthroughs.

But when you start trying to pray to get answers to scientific questions, and thinking to get ansers to religious and spiritual questions, that is where the problem lies.

That is the real mistake people have made all throughout time. Like the flagellants "answer" (torturing themselves) to the black plague, and athiests "answer" (the victims are just insane) to demonic possesions.
 
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Colossians 2:8-9)
“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells the fullness of Godhead bodily, and you are complete in Him.”
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I strongly sense that ANYONE should often ask themselves the question, "Do I really KNOW what I believe in, or am I assuming it's correct because it seems logical?"

Also, when you say, "Everything is uncertain,", does God fit into this "everything" anywhere?
Just wondering.

Lastly, I also strongly sense that oftentimes when we're praying, we easily lull into a little thinking. This "thinking" surely can't always mean that our mind isn't being prayerful, like maybe our subconscious is touching prayer in its own way. It all goes into the mighty river of prayer, which flows to Heaven anyway.
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Dear tommy2. Jesus told us: unless ye think as children ye will not enter God`s Kingdom. In Matthew, chapter 22, verses 35-40, Jesus tells a Lawyer: " the first and great Commandment is: love thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like unto it: love thy neighbour as thyself." Then Jesus goes on to say: " on these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Straightforward and easy to remember. A very true and simple answer to a problem of thinking too much: " don`t dwell on the things we don`t understand, dwell on the things we do. Love is what God wants from us, and God is Love. We are on Earth to learn to love, selfless and beneficial, and God wants to have loving children/sons and daughters. St. Paul tells us in 1) Corinthians, chapter 13, verses 4-8, what love really is, not only a wonderful feeling, also a complete change of behaviour, changing from being self-centred, to becoming more thoughtful, more considerate, more helpful and forgiving, learn to control our bursts of anger/selfrighteousness; in short: Repent, become a new person. It sounds much harder than it is, tommy, and to love is catching, it will naturally become a second nature. We will have Jesus to help and guide us, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love. Jesus told us: " Ask and ye will receive," and God will approve and give us His Blessings. To love only needs to remember to think of others as well of oneself, not much deep-thought, or Too Much Thought. I say this with love, tommy. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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Colossians 2:8-9)
“Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells the fullness of Godhead bodily, and you are complete in Him.”
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I strongly sense that ANYONE should often ask themselves the question, "Do I really KNOW what I believe in, or am I assuming it's correct because it seems logical?"

Also, when you say, "Everything is uncertain,", does God fit into this "everything" anywhere?
Just wondering.

Lastly, I also strongly sense that oftentimes when we're praying, we easily lull into a little thinking. This "thinking" surely can't always mean that our mind isn't being prayerful, like maybe our subconscious is touching prayer in its own way. It all goes into the mighty river of prayer, which flows to Heaven anyway.
tommy

Can someone explian how to split up quotes to respond one at a time? i cant firgure it out.

First paragraph: people often do assume too much all the time. I know that anything i could percieve to be true could be wrong at any point. Logic is not the endgame to all questions, nor is it the endgame to all thinking. Logic and spritual thinking do not go hand in hand.

second paragraph: To some, yes, to others, no. I, myself aknowledge that we indeed could be wrong, no matter how unlikeley, until we know for sure, which unfortanatley won't be till death. So, for me, Yes, although I still think that God exists and that Jesus is salvation. It is a dangerous way of thinking, and a lot pf people would draw absurd conclusions with it, so I usually keep it to myself except when I'm posting here.

Third paragraph: I don't really know how to respond since I do not entirely understand what you are trying to say. could you explain further?
 
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