Think about it.

[patrickplante]

If I believe I come from an ape, then the lack of evolution becomes an excuse for my lack of purpose in life.

If I believe I was created by God, then mylack of purpose can be overcome by asking Him to give it meaning.

Your thoughts on that, please.

 

[Aeschylus]

Itr doesn't really make much snse, but it's worth poining out thta most Christains accept the tehroy of evolution.

 

[Micaiah]

Seems to me many people are keen to look for some way of excusing thier behaviour. Blaming your genetic makeup is one way. Actually, looking for something to blame is as old as Adam and Eve.

 

[patrickplante]

thanks for sharing your oppinion.
This idea was presented to me and I didn't know what to make of it.

 

[artybloke]

If I believe I come from an ape, then the lack of evolution becomes an excuse for my lack of purpose in life.

If I believe I was created by God, then mylack of purpose can be overcome by asking Him to give it meaning.

Your thoughts on that, please.

Why would coming from an ape mean you lack a purpose in life? Why would coming from an ape mean you weren't created by God?

Oh, and by the way, we didn't evolve from apes. We evolved from an ancestor of both apes and hominids.

Dumb arguments don't get much dumber.

 

[seebs]

Biologically, I was created by my parents. My soul was created by God. I don't care whether, some thousands of generations back, my "parents" weren't exactly what we think of as human or not; what's it got to do with anything? It's the soul, not the body, that God appears primarily concerned with.

 

[seebs]

Seems to me many people are keen to look for some way of excusing thier behaviour. Blaming your genetic makeup is one way. Actually, looking for something to blame is as old as Adam and Eve.

Indeed. The notion that parentage would change moral responsibility is a very silly one.

It is curious to note that I have never seen it advanced by anyone except creationists. (And, once, by a very strange guy who claimed to have deconverted due to evolution, but his credibility was rather hampered because he was still arguing for creationism on other boards, and he quite clearly knew nothing about evolution; I assume he was a troll.)

 

[Underdog77]

Itr doesn't really make much snse, but it's worth poining out thta most Christains accept the tehroy of evolution.

Why do people say such things? There was a poll here in this forum (Christians only) asking whether you believe TE or OEC or YEC etc... And the majority believed in YEC.

I just got done voting in the "all members" section in a similar poll and there more people believe in YEC than anything else.

I hear it all the time, "YEC's are the minority" and "Your only part of a very small pack of people", but so far through polls the opposite has been shown to be true.

I really don't care whether I'm in the minority or not, most of the time if not all, God's chosen ones (Israelites, christians, etc...) were/are the minority. The Bible itself says that path to Heaven is narrow, so those who get there will be a minority.

I don't care whether I'm in the minority, but I do care that propoganda and possibly lies are being spread, even within the Christian community, to detour others from one belief or another. People's first reaction is to think "Well I don't want to be in the minority" or "If its the minority its probably wrong". Neither way of thinking is very logical but that's what happens alot of time.
In essence people have these knee-jerk reactions and may choose to believe one belief because of propoganda that some TE's and OEC's spread.

In short, stop making claims that are false or can't be proven. It really hurts my respect for you and probably others believe the same way.

 

[Null-Geodesic]

Why do people say such things? There was a poll here in this forum (Christians only) asking whether you believe TE or OEC or YEC etc... And the majority believed in YEC.

I just got done voting in the "all members" section in a similar poll and there more people believe in YEC than anything else.

Are you kidding? I have observed CF for a long time and even on the Christians only board the YEC's lose. On the open Science board they get creamed in the voting.

And only ignorance would maintain YEC's outnumber other Christians. My God man, the 3 largest Christian denominations in the world which account for over 3/4 of Christianity are all accepting of evolution. It's only the fringe fundamental Protestants (primarily in the US, what a shock there) that give YEC any credibility.

 

[Null-Geodesic]

Underdog77,

Are you blind? I just went through the polls and their are only 2 on the All Members section on this issue I could find.

The current vote tallies are:

YEC 24
Non-YEC 110

&

YEC 12
Non-YEC 85.

Go check them out, I just did.

 

[Aeschylus]

It's only the majotrity view for Christians in the states and Christianity in the Staes is not reprenstaive of Christianity around the world. For anyone who has done a reasonable amount of travelling, it's laugahble, infact I myself didn't even realize that people still believed in YEC until my early twenties.

I've said it ebfore in genral it's the more eccentric proetsnat denominattions that hold creationism to be true (though creationism isn't unheard of in the mainstream brands of protesntantism, but it's not the majority) mainly centred on the US.

In short I am simply stating the obvious, but though the majority of Christians do expect the theory of evolution in some forms there are alot of vaguley OEC, ID ideas out there.

 

[seebs]

The problem is that this BBS has a very biased sample space; it's predominantly populated by US Christians, and has a disproportionate number of fundamentalists and conservatives. The general Christian population is much different.

 

[seebs]

It's only the majotrity view for Christians in the states and Christianity in the Staes is not reprenstaive of Christianity around the world. For anyone who has done a reasonable amount of travelling, it's laugahble, infact I myself didn't even realize that people still believed in YEC until my early twenties.

I met my first YEC at college. Everyone found her mystifying; I mean, why was a woman who thought dinasours were a lie planted by Satan, and that no animals other than humans were capable of any kind of cognition at all, taking a class on the philosophical questions of AI?

 

[herev]

Why do people say such things? There was a poll here in this forum (Christians only) asking whether you believe TE or OEC or YEC etc... And the majority believed in YEC.

I just got done voting in the "all members" section in a similar poll and there more people believe in YEC than anything else.

Not that it would change my mind or the "majority" of christians I know, but out of curiosity, could you give us some links for those?

I hear it all the time, "YEC's are the minority" and "Your only part of a very small pack of people", but so far through polls the opposite has been shown to be true.

Wonder why you hear it so much coming from such a minority?

I really don't care whether I'm in the minority or not, most of the time if not all, God's chosen ones (Israelites, christians, etc...) were/are the minority. The Bible itself says that path to Heaven is narrow, so those who get there will be a minority.

Good, me neither--see, we do have things in common. Of course, this is just my opinion, but everytime I hear someone quote that verse about few getting to heaven, I usually assume (dangerous, I know) that the person quoting it has done two things:
1. Assumed that they are in the few
2.. Judged many others as being out
I think those of us who get to heaven are going to be surprised at who's in and who's out, don't you?

I don't care whether I'm in the minority, but I do care that propoganda and possibly lies are being spread, even within the Christian community, to detour others from one belief or another. People's first reaction is to think "Well I don't want to be in the minority" or "If its the minority its probably wrong". Neither way of thinking is very logical but that's what happens alot of time.
In essence people have these knee-jerk reactions and may choose to believe one belief because of propoganda that some TE's and OEC's spread.

As you have seen, it is not propaganda, it is firmly held belief and there are quite a few reasons to believe that this "propaganda" is actually true.
And you probably honestly believe that you have come to your beliefs without any propaganda, but I would find that difficult to believe.

The propaganda of YEC has been quite strong since the "2nd Great Awakening" as it is called in the US and I have no doubt that it has influenced your beliefs. Had you been born into a family of TE's who go to a church that supported TE, do you believe that you would, at 17, have discovered on your own that the Genesis creation accounts are to be taken literally and left your family's church for the "correct" doctrine of another church?

In short, stop making claims that are false or can't be proven. It really hurts my respect for you and probably others believe the same way.

I have no loss of respect for the person who said that, nor do I have a loss of respect for you as a creationist, but your posts usually leave room for some respect problems.
God Bless you underdog77!

 

[gluadys]

If I believe I come from an ape, then the lack of evolution becomes an excuse for my lack of purpose in life.

If I believe I was created by God, then mylack of purpose can be overcome by asking Him to give it meaning.

Your thoughts on that, please.

And if God planned that you evolve from an ape---what does that do to your motivation?