Things we would not know

[Jerrysch]

It has been suggested by some that we as Gentile believers should not draw our doctrine from the pages of the Gospels (that is Matthew, Mark Luke and John), or from the pages of Hebrews, 1&2 Peter and James (among others)


As 21 century Gentile believers, what are some of the things we would not be aware of if we drew no doctrine from this portion of Scripture?

How can this practice stand in light of 2Tim 3:16

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

 

[eph3Nine]

It has been suggested by some that we as Gentile believers should not draw our doctrine from the pages of the Gospels (that is Matthew, Mark Luke and John), or from the pages of Hebrews, 1&2 Peter and James (among others)


As 21 century Gentile believers, what are some of the things we would not be aware of if we drew no doctrine from this portion of Scripture?

How can this practice stand in light of 2Tim 3:16

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

That scripture should be coupled with 2 Tim 2:15.

All scripture IS all those things...when it IS rightly divided. If its NOT rightly divided, and Gods program with Israel not made distinct from the program for the Body of Christ, then it becomes NOT profitable, but confusing. Unless scripture is rightly divided you wont be adequate, nor equipped either. Neither will you be an unashamed workman, nor will you be approved unto GOD.

It has been told us by God Himself , NOT merely SUGGESTED, that the doctrine for WE the Body of Christ is found in PAULS letters alone! All the rest of the Bible is written TO and ABOUT a NATION. Without Pauls letters you have ONLY a Jewish book. We are to LEARN from Gods program with Israel, and ALL the bible IS written for that end, however NOT all the Bible is written TO us or ABOUT us. Most of it , as a matter of FACT, is written to a NATION. The ONLY information specifically given to we the NEW CREATION, HIs Body, ARE the Pauline letters. HE is our spokesman, and OUR apostle.

 

[Jerrysch]

That scripture should be coupled with 2 Tim 2:15.



It has been told us by God Himself , NOT merely SUGGESTED, that the doctrine for WE the Body of Christ is found in PAULS letters alone! All the rest of the Bible is written TO and ABOUT a NATION. Without Pauls letters you have ONLY a Jewish book. We are to LEARN from Gods program with Israel, and ALL the bible IS written for that end, however NOT all the Bible is written TO us or ABOUT us. Most of it , as a matter of FACT, is written to a NATION. The ONLY information specifically given to we the NEW CREATION, HIs Body, ARE the Pauline letters. HE is our spokesman, and OUR apostle.

I do indeed understand the distinction between which aspects of Scripture refer to the church and which refr to Israel, yet I am not willing to draw the disninction that I think I am hearing you make in regards to the whole of Scripture. I do, as far as I understand what you are saying, think that your definition of "doctrine" is a bit narrow.

Do you recieve joy in your heart when you read passages regarding the kingdom which will be setup by Messiah when He comes?
Are you not blessed by the description of how YHWH will bring order to this world in the person of Messiah?

When the little ones at church ask you what is to happen to this old world, do you give them doctrine?

Does it not humble you when you consider that no matter what the nay sayers say our God, YHWH himself will fulfill each and every promice He has made with ethnic Israel? Doesn't that fact give you comfort that He then, for the same reasson will not be unfaithful in regards to the promices He has made to the churcch?

I am really just getting the idea that you are not finding value in the Old(er) Testament. Please tell me that I am wrong.

Is this the way you feel?? You are comming accross that way.

 

[Jerrysch]

It has been suggested by some that we as Gentile believers should not draw our doctrine from the pages of the Gospels (that is Matthew, Mark Luke and John), or from the pages of Hebrews, 1&2 Peter and James (among others)


As 21 century Gentile believers, what are some of the things we would not be aware of if we drew no doctrine from this portion of Scripture?

How can this practice stand in light of 2Tim 3:16

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

OK I'll get it started.
We would know nothing about the flood in the time of Noah

 

[eph3Nine]

OK I'll get it started.
We would know nothing about the flood in the time of Noah

NBR one. YOU have misrepresented what we teach. NO ONE ever said we throw away all of the rest of the Bible. All of the Bible is for our learning, but NOT all the bible is for our obedience. WE study the OT as well...but OUR specific instructions for the age in which we LIVE are to be found in Pauls epistles alone.

 

[eph3Nine]

I do indeed understand the distinction between which aspects of Scripture refer to the church and which refr to Israel, yet I am not willing to draw the disninction that I think I am hearing you make in regards to the whole of Scripture. I do, as far as I understand what you are saying, think that your definition of "doctrine" is a bit narrow.

Do you recieve joy in your heart when you read passages regarding the kingdom which will be setup by Messiah when He comes?
Are you not blessed by the description of how YHWH will bring order to this world in the person of Messiah?

When the little ones at church ask you what is to happen to this old world, do you give them doctrine?

Does it not humble you when you consider that no matter what the nay sayers say our God, YHWH himself will fulfill each and every promice He has made with ethnic Israel? Doesn't that fact give you comfort that He then, for the same reasson will not be unfaithful in regards to the promices He has made to the churcch?

I am really just getting the idea that you are not finding value in the Old(er) Testament. Please tell me that I am wrong.

Is this the way you feel?? You are comming accross that way.

How I come across to YOU sounds like a personal problem.

I am NOT in any way associated or involved in what occurred with the Nation Israel. Do I love to study about it? YES, because it then becomes clear to me that God indeed HAS a twofold purpose for the world and for we who live ON it. It all has to do with the two realms he created...heaven and earth, and His plan and purpose to RE ESTABLISH His reign and rule in BOTH realms.

Where I find the material RELEVANT to me and my life today is in Romans thru Philemon. THOSE are the personal letters from God to me, a member of the Body of Christ.

 

[TheScottsMen]

That scripture should be coupled with 2 Tim 2:15.

All scripture IS all those things...when it IS rightly divided. If its NOT rightly divided, and Gods program with Israel not made distinct from the program for the Body of Christ, then it becomes NOT profitable, but confusing. Unless scripture is rightly divided you wont be adequate, nor equipped either. Neither will you be an unashamed workman, nor will you be approved unto GOD.

It has been told us by God Himself , NOT merely SUGGESTED, that the doctrine for WE the Body of Christ is found in PAULS letters alone! All the rest of the Bible is written TO and ABOUT a NATION. Without Pauls letters you have ONLY a Jewish book. We are to LEARN from Gods program with Israel, and ALL the bible IS written for that end, however NOT all the Bible is written TO us or ABOUT us. Most of it , as a matter of FACT, is written to a NATION. The ONLY information specifically given to we the NEW CREATION, HIs Body, ARE the Pauline letters. HE is our spokesman, and OUR apostle.

Great Post.

 

[Jerrysch]

How I come across to YOU sounds like a personal problem.

I am NOT in any way associated or involved in what occurred with the Nation Israel. Do I love to study about it? YES, because it then becomes clear to me that God indeed HAS a twofold purpose for the world and for we who live ON it. It all has to do with the two realms he created...heaven and earth, and His plan and purpose to RE ESTABLISH His reign and rule in BOTH realms.

Where I find the material RELEVANT to me and my life today is in Romans thru Philemon. THOSE are the personal letters from God to me, a member of the Body of Christ.

Guess what all this is doctrine

 

[Jerrysch]

NBR one. YOU have misrepresented what we teach. NO ONE ever said we throw away all of the rest of the Bible. All of the Bible is for our learning, but NOT all the bible is for our obedience. WE study the OT as well...but OUR specific instructions for the age in which we LIVE are to be found in Pauls epistles alone.

I am not missrepresenting what you have said, you stated that you find doctrine nowhere other than in the works of Paul, isn't this correct? It is not my intent to misrepresent anyone, least of all you