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What about David?You made up a fairy tale that others can see right through; None of these patriarchs had the covenant Law from Mount Sinai. Did you really think God's election exists only within His redemption from the Law that wouldn't exist for hundreds or thousands of years after these all lived?
Are you serious?Does having an advocate mean that the law is not the ministry of death?
No!!! The ministry of death is the law to everybody, even to the Advocate.
2Co 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
It seems clear that having an advocate does not mean the law is not a ministry of death.
Lets once again leave the interpretations on the side and see the confession of the Master Himself.Are you saying Jesus taught the law? John says no in 1:17 and taught His own commandments in 15:10.
None of us would have your definition of grace, if your definition = PERFECT blissful, cakewalk, roses and sunshine for the rest of your life!I've not understood? Where are you pulling this garbage theology from?
Adam and Eve had grace? HOGWASH!!!.... they were thrown out of the garden to toil on cursed soil and have painful childbirth from that point on... some grace....
You must lead a perfect, trial free life Soph. James 1 mustve not been written for you it was written for men like Noah and Adam who went through trials and tribulation.Noah didn't find grace but rather found himself ridiculed for hundreds of years to toil and build an ark his faith in God was the only reason he was saved God would have had him die also I think if he at the end decided not to get on the ark I doubt God would have suddenly stopped the rain and cancel it because of "grace".
you calling his theology garbage? Where do you get yours? Do you subscribe to name it and claim it? Come to Jesus and EVERYTHING will be perfect?As for David after his sin was found out the "grace" he got was his child died soon after birth and his sons turned against him later in life... some idea of grace eh?
lolWe have grace not because we are sinners but because of Jesus and what he did and Jesus wasn't around to get on a cross in the OT when David needed grace..... so David suffered punishment for his sins as did everyone else.
...who called on his Redeemer?What about David?
Please pass the salt. Thank you.John 1:17 DOES NOT say that of Jesus. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. How does that say that Jesus did not teach the law? How does that compare with the fact that Jesus said He did not come to change the law?
How does Jesus teach His own commandments? Is His commandments different from that of His Father's? You would hold that view after Jesus Himself said that He and His Father are one? After Jesus said that if you see Him you see the Father? The point is that the Holy Spirit, the son and the Father work under the same principles so how can Jesus now have different rules than that of the father? Even Paul confirms the oneness of operation.
Cor. 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Did the Father contradict His own Commandments as Jesus did all that He did in His father will? John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The law says that we should have no other God! Are you saying that according to Paul we are deliver from that law? Did not Paul say Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31. How can Paul mean that there is no law for us and yet say that we establish the law? Would it not make sense to understand Paul as meaning that we are not under the condemnation of the law because we have Christ our salvation?
Is it matter of choosing law over grace? Or having grace to Worship God alone? Grace to love your neighbour as yourself.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. This have nothing to do with the Ten commandments. Heb. 8: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Paul makes it clear that he was talking about the priesthood. That Christ was not a Levi.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Are you now a judge of swine? Do you eat swine? Do you like the taste of pig intestines or pig feet? I guess it is expedient to wash the pig before you eat it?I've not understood? Where are you pulling this garbage theology from?
Adam and Eve had grace? HOGWASH!!!.... they were thrown out of the garden to toil on cursed soil and have painful childbirth from that point on... some grace.... Noah didn't find grace but rather found himself ridiculed for hundreds of years to toil and build an ark his faith in God was the only reason he was saved God would have had him die also I think if he at the end decided not to get on the ark I doubt God would have suddenly stopped the rain and cancel it because of "grace".
As for David after his sin was found out the "grace" he got was his child died soon after birth and his sons turned against him later in life... some idea of grace eh?
We have grace not because we are sinners but because of Jesus and what he did and Jesus wasn't around to get on a cross in the OT when David needed grace..... so David suffered punishment for his sins as did everyone else.
Make that three times. Add to this the shortest attention span seen on the forum. Just Who do you think Hebrews 10:9 refers to when the translators recognize the need to capitalize the pronoun "He"?So who died for us? Jesus died for the sins under the first Covenant it looks like. For those who broke the ten Commandments. We don't have no Ten commandments according to you.
You ask rhetorical questions (twice in a row) just to reject the Biblical answers.
Make that three times. Add to this the shortest attention span seen on the forum. Just Who do you think Hebrews 10:9 refers to when the translators recognize the need to capitalize the pronoun "He"?
He takes away the first that He may establish the second.I am not "He".
I don't see the slightest relevance this has with the epistle to the Hebrews, or Who it was Who took away the covenant from Mount Sinai.When the commandments were given at Mt. Sinai, Israel was not a sovriegn nation at this time. The sons of Abraham were a mixed multitude, like nomads or strangers wandering in the wilderness.
By your rhetorical question, I assume you haven't read the epistle to the Hebrews, and don't know where the author defined the 'first covenant'. Who is the 'He' Who took away the covenant from Mount Sinai?Was Mt Sinai the first covenant?
By your rhetorical question, I assume you haven't read the epistle to the Hebrews, and don't know where the author defined the 'first covenant'. Who is the 'He' Who took away the covenant from Mount Sinai.
By your rhetorical question, I assume you haven't read the epistle to the Hebrews, and don't know where the author defined the 'first covenant'. Who is the 'He' Who took away the covenant from Mount Sinai?
Then you know by my post that the first covenant is the covenant from Mount Sinai. Now, Who took it away?The question is not rhetorical. You have read the book of hebrews, so answer the question. Stop behaving like the pharisees who refused to answer Yeshua's questions; is the cat resting on your shoulders whispering in your ear that you should never answer my questions?
Moses asks the question according to Deuteronomy 4:8: And what great nation is there that has such statutes and righteous judgments as are in all this law which I set before you this day?Do you understand that the 10 commandments were not given just to jews?
Then you know by my post that the first covenant is the covenant from Mount Sinai. Now, Who took it away?
You ask rhetorical questions (twice in a row) just to reject the Biblical answers.
Make that three times. Add to this the shortest attention span seen on the forum. Just Who do you think Hebrews 10:9 refers to when the translators recognize the need to capitalize the pronoun "He"?
He takes away the first that He may establish the second.I am not "He".
Moses asks the question according to Deuteronomy 4:8: And what great nation is there that has such statutes and righteous judgments as are in all this law which I set before you this day?
Answer the question Moses posed: what other nation was given the covenant from Mount Sinai?
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