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wow...and you can't see the difference of 60 years!???

The last recorded Zionist terrorist act was in 1949, 3 weeks before Israel was recognized as a legitimate nation with a legitimate government...

Palestine...wait! They aren't even a nation yet, and they're killing each other off...hrmmm what was I thinking! :doh:

That is a blatant lie. Less than a year ago i lived though a month of Israeli terrorism... and that is just from my personal experience. Their daily acts of terrorism in Gaza and the West bank well beyond my experience, still occur and are documented.
 
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uh huh...
That's a nation protecting it's citizens...

quit blowin' up bombs in public places and they won't go after the little terrorist groups....simple logic

Sorry ya had to live through it, but they were very careful to tell the civilians to move out of the way a week before they started goin' in...

If ya didn't listen to the warnings it's your own fault.
 
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[FONT=&quot] 1- zionist is just a politically correct term for anti-semitism...pity you can't see that
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[FONT=&quot] I am Semitic, so are the people Zionism is oppression and murdering. [/FONT]
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I don't see you bashing the US for thier "terrorism" against England when we won our liberty...but you expect me to bash Israel?
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[FONT=&quot]Just the murder and persecution of the Palestinian people. [/FONT]
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Palestinian homicide bombers are the ones killing CHILDREN in the streets of Israel
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Palestinian sabotage and explosive devices are blowing up schools and hospitals, market places .... places frequented by WOMEN and CHILDREN.
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[FONT=&quot] Israel destroyed 135 schools in Lebanon in one month, killed 1400 innocent civilians, 539 children, 534 women….[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] That's a nation protecting it's citizens
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[FONT=&quot] No, it is a nation terrorizing the people around it. [/FONT]
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quit blowin' up bombs in public places and they won't go after the little terrorist groups....simple logic
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[FONT=&quot] Hezbollah fights for the liberation of Lebanese land from Israel, and will continue to do so in till Israel withdraws from all Lebanese land. They won a glorious victory in 2000 driving Israel out of most of southern Lebanon and then won another glorious victory last year, despite the Israeli massacre of Lebanese civilians, Hezbollah still came out victorious, unshaken and unscaved by the Israeli bombardment… and the world saw Israel for what it is. [/FONT]
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Sorry ya had to live through it, but they were very careful to tell the civilians to move out of the way a week before they started goin' in...
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[FONT=&quot] Why to you lie? Israel was not “carful” they used precision guided bombs to attack and murder Lebanese civilians. 1400 dead, 35,000 injured all from precision guided bombs, guided to a specific target by Israel. When Israel bombed a house full of children, or a school, or a market… they did so on purpose. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The tens of thousands of un-exploded cluster bombs Israel dropped at the end of the war…. Continue to murder and mame Lebanese children to this day. [/FONT]
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If ya didn't listen to the warnings it's your own fault.
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[FONT=&quot]Palestinians have warned Israel that unless they leave they will continue to be targets of Palestinian attacks…… guess it is Israelis own fault for not heeding the warnings. [/FONT]
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as I stated earlier...

IF they weren't wise enough to heed the warnings of "We're coming, seek shelter elsewhere" And as with all the other numbers you've posted...they're greatly inflated...

Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006 -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm

But I do admit your numbers are more "dramatic"
 
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[FONT=&quot] IF they weren't wise enough to heed the warnings of "We're coming, seek shelter elsewhere" And as with all the other numbers you've posted...they're greatly inflated...
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[FONT=&quot] But if this is how you bring yourself to justify your support for ethnic cleansing and the massacre of innocent life……. By blaming the victim. [/FONT]
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Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006 -
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[FONT=&quot] Palestinians =/= Lebanese. I know we all look the same to you, but there are differences. [/FONT]
 
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How many people, and what ethnicity lived there right before it became called Israel in 48?

I have to find the sources HD . . . have used them before . .majority were arab ethnicity. The partion required many arabs to leave their land and relocate . . because there were so many more arabs than "jews"

What advantage does the U.S. have from backing them so?

Strategic access to the Middle East and oil reserves if military action is needed.

Where did the name Ashkenazi come from and why is the word nazi in it?

Howard, not taking sides, just learning.

Here is some information for you HD:
Origins of Ashkenazim
Although the historical record itself is very limited, there is a consensus of cultural, linguistic, and genetic evidence that the Ashkenazi Jewish population originated in the Middle East. When they arrived in northern France and the Rhineland sometime around 800-1000 CE, the Ashkenazi Jews brought with them both Rabbinic Judaism and the Babylonian Talmudic culture that underlies it. Yiddish, once spoken by the vast majority of Ashkenazi Jewry, is a Jewish language which developed from the Middle High German vernacular, heavily influenced by Hebrew and Aramaic. (By comparison, the Greek or Latin influence on Yiddish was much less significant). Recent research in human genetics has also demonstrated that a significant component of Ashkenazi ancestry is Middle Eastern.

European Jews became called "Ashkenaz" because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany. "Ashkenaz" is a Medieval Hebrew name for Germany. (See Usage of the name for the term's etymology.)

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Today, Ashkenazi Jews constitute approximately 80% of world Jewry,[4] but probably less than half of Israeli Jews (see Demographics of Israel). Nevertheless they have traditionally played a prominent role in the media, economy and politics of Israel. Tensions have sometimes arisen between the mostly Ashkenazi elite whose families founded the state, and later migrants from various non-Ashkenazi groups, who argue that they are discriminated against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews


There is a booklet written decades ago by an Ashkenazi Jew who immigrated to Israel and married a Sephardic Jew along the way, and tells of his disillusionment and discrimination they experienced due to her being Sephardic. I cannot remember the name of this work right now.

You may be very interested in this article:

Post-Zionism and the Sephardi Question
by Meyrav Wurmser
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2005
A growing group of Jewish Israeli professors is challenging the legitimacy of the Israeli state from within. Many are Mizrahim, as the Sephardi Jews from the Middle East and North Africa are increasingly called, and do so from a distinctly Mizrahi outlook. In July 2004, for example, a poem appeared online entitled, "I Am an Arab Refugee":

When I hear Fayruz[1] singing,
"I shall never forget thee, Palestine,"
I swear to you with my right hand
that at once I am a Palestinian.
All of a sudden I know:
I am an Arab refugee
and, if not,
let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth.[2]

The author is not a Palestinian refugee but rather an Israeli Jew. His name is Sami Shalom Chetrit, a Mizrahi professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem who, along with Mizrahi academics like Ella Shohat, Eli Avraham, Oren Yiftachel, Yehouda Shenhav, Pnina Motzafi-Haller and others has developed a radical critique of ethnic relations in Israel. True to post-Zionism, an intellectual movement that believes that Zionism lacks moral validity, post-Zionist Mizrahi writers believe that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. According to Mizrahi post-Zionism, the Mizrahim, about half of Israel's Jewish population, are "Arab-Jews," who like the Palestinians are victims of Zionism.

According to Shohat, Zionism is a white, Ashkenazi phenomenon, based on the denial of the Orient and the rights of both Mizrahi Jews and the Palestinians.

This view contradicts the mainstream Zionist narrative, which maintains that Zionism saved Mizrahi Jews.[7] According to this view, the Mizrahi Jews were devout Zionists who deeply wished to leave the Diaspora and return to Zion.[8] Zionism saved these Mizrahim when persecution in their Arab and Iranian homelands intensified after Israel's independence. It also rescued them from the backwardness of Arab society and introduced them to the technology and culture of the civilized world. Zionism helped them to overcome the disadvantages of the illiterate, despotic societies from which they came.

In contrast, post-Zionist Mizrahi writers believe that this official Zionist account is false and needs to be de-constructed. They maintain that the Mizrahim did not come from backward or primitive societies. Cities like Alexandria, Baghdad, and Istanbul were great metropolises of wealth and culture. Most Mizrahim had been exposed to Western culture and ideas since they came from countries once subject to British or French rule. The Mizrahim were also largely literate, if not highly educated. Most men and even some women could read the Torah.

The post-Zionist writers also attack the claim that the Mizrahi Jews longed to immigrate to Israel. In reality, they argue, as loyal residents of the Arab world, Zionism played a relatively minor role in the Mizrahi world-view. Despite the role that the longing for Zion played in their religious lives, they did not share the European-Zionist desire to leave the Diaspora. Even after the Holocaust, post-Zionist writers maintain, Mizrahi Jews remained largely opposed to Zionism and lived peacefully with their Arab neighbors. Yehouda Shenhav, professor of sociology and anthropology at Tel Aviv University, writes in his study of the Jews of Iraq that the Mizrahim were never really Zionists. Instead, he argues that the Ashkenazi establishment encouraged their immigration less to protect the Mizrahim and more to address its own need for cheap labor.[9] Instead of saving the Mizrahi Jews, Zionism only ruthlessly displaced an entire community, Shenhav maintains, and removed its members' right to determine their own future. Pursuing this logic to its end, he argues that Zionism cannot be considered a liberation movement for all Jews. It liberated European Jews but enslaved the Mizrahim who, like the Palestinians, are an abused Third World people suffering under the yoke of first world Ashkenazi oppressors.


The Mizrahi academic embrace of post-Zionism is an attempt to address a broader, genuine problem. Post-Zionist Mizrahi writers present a compelling account of the systematic economic and ethnic discrimination that they personally, their families, and Mizrahi Jews in general have faced since the establishment of Israel to the present day. They provide evidence of discrimination and racist attitudes beginning with the early years of statehood.


One of the worst examples of the anti-Mizrahi discrimination involves The Ashkenazi Revolution published in 1964 by writer Kalman Katzenelson in which the author argues that the Mizrahim suffer from irreversible genetic inferiority that endangers the superiority of the Ashkenazi-Zionist state. He called for the establishment of an apartheid regime that, among other limitations, would abolish their political rights. He also objected to mixed marriages and demanded the prohibition of the Hebrew language because it resembled Arabic too greatly. Instead he demanded that Yiddish become the national language because of its supreme Germanic origins. His book was a bestseller until Ben-Gurion banned it.

A great deal more at:

http://www.meforum.org/article/707


After you read that article, here is the booklet I spoke of above documenting the descrimination an Ashkenazi Jew and his Sephardic wife experienced in Zionist Israel, plus much more. . . it will generate a great deal of consternation among those who are pro-zionist. They will do exactly what he predicts within it:

A CHALLENGE

THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK ARE EXPECTED TO BRING A STRONG REACTION FROM THE ZIONIST JEWS.

I am well aware of the tactics of you, my Zionist brethren, use to quiet anyone who attempts to expose any of your subversive acts.

If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.
  1. First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
  2. If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
  3. If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
  4. If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.


The Life of an American Jew
in Racist Marxist Israel

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm


We see all of the above responses (except physical attacks which do not generally occur in online forums for obvious reasons), in such threads as this thread from Zionists here at CF. . . . . .

We have already had the "anti-semitic" card played . .it will continue to be played as it has always been played by Zionists here. We have had some of the rest as well. Such responses will only grow stronger and stronger, yet no real debate will occur . .why? Because they cannot legitimately debate the facts.

Such responses are quite telling, as the author states:
But, if you resort to crying, "Lies, all lies ", and refuse to debate the material you will, in effect, be telling the American people that what I have written are the true facts.​


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as I stated earlier...

IF they weren't wise enough to heed the warnings of "We're coming, seek shelter elsewhere" And as with all the other numbers you've posted...they're greatly inflated...

Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006 -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm

But I do admit your numbers are more "dramatic"

Gwen . . . when will you open your eyes to the truth?

I am so glad I no longer buy into this popularist rendition of history that whitewashes Israel and demonizes the Palestinians .. ..


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Hypocrisy???

Let's talk about this:

Palestinian homicide bombers are the ones killing CHILDREN in the streets of Israel

And you still aren't getting it Gwen . .

Before that it was ZIONIST BOMBERS that were the one's KILLING CHILDREN in the streets of Palestinian towns!

Why aren't you getting this? Why are you condeming the Palestinian "terrorists" and ignoring what the Zionist terrorists did EXACTLY THE SAME THING . . . .and they did it FIRST!

We are trying to help you see that there is whole 'nother side to what we see happening today, and it was the ZIONISTS who started it.

Why do you glorify and justify the Zionists and ignore thier terrorist deeds and the terrorist underpinnings of the Zionist State of Israel?

WHY Gwen? WHY?


Palestinian sabotage and explosive devices are blowing up schools and hospitals, market places .... places frequented by WOMEN and CHILDREN.

And before that, ZIONIST sabotage and explosive devices were blowing up schools and hosptilats, market places, places frequented by PALESTINIAN WOMEN and CHILDREN!

WHY do yo refuse to see and understand this?

They aren't taking to the MEN, or the MILITARY...but when Israel acts with it's military, and gives warning to the civilians to vacate the area...wow...now they're just so wrong!

And when the Arabs reacted to this ongoing ZIONIST TERRORISM by not accepting the UN partition but rather striking back . .. wow . .now they're juist so wrong!

Yes, Gwen . . such hypocrisy . . with one side of the mouth you decry and judge the Palestinians guilty and justify and judge the Zionists innocent . ..

THE ZIONISTS ARE GUILTY OF THE SAME ACTS Gwen!


That is what we are trying to help you see, that is what is cleary shown when one studies ACTUAL history instead of accepting popularist revisionism that white washes the Zionists and demonizes the Palestinians . . yet you refuse to see it


It's a harsh world, and a hard truth, but really...you should research the propaganda you're believing...cause it's not the truth...

We are presenting COLD, HARD FACTS . . cold hard facts that show the propaganda you're believing to be just that . . . propaganda . . nothing more.

It is a harsh world, especially when it showswhat you believe to be mere propaganda such as what you believe here.

When will you start looking at the facts?


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And apparently you think it's still the 1940's...
it's a new century...there are more peaceful ways of obtaining a country than terrorism...

but...hey...keep tellin' yourself that time doesn't matter one day you may be able to convince someone other than yourself...

I think their little "civil war" of the last 11 days pretty much proves, they can't live with themselves in peace...how can we expect them to live as a nation in peace? :doh:

The only cold hard facts on real numbers of real casualties has been posted by me...not some number picked out of the air and put to type because it's "sensational" and "dramatic"

as for the rest...not worth wasting my time with ...
 
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that would be forced conversions to Islam dear....
We can trace our line past the rise of Islam, and nearly to the rise of the RC...the research continues...as with all Jews, we continually search our heritage and embrace it...Though it's funny you shoudl say converts aren't included...when in the very line of Messiah a convert is found....a Moabitess...who turns out to be David's great grandmother...You may recall the book of Ruth ;)

You are distorting my words Gwen, errecting a strawman. I did not say converts weren't included . .

I said that the promise of the land was given to Abraham and his descendents, not to converts.

Two very differen issues.

But you cannot trace your blood line to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . .you probably never will if you haven't been able to do so by now . . .


1- zionist is just a politically correct term for anti-semitism...pity you can't see that

And so we see the first reaction predicted by Bernstein:
"If the person is a Gentile, you cry, "You're anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide your actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, you resort to other tactics.
  1. First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.
  2. If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.
  3. If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.
  4. If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.
But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong."

2- I don't see you bashing the US for thier "terrorism" against England when we won our liberty...but you expect me to bash Israel?

Again, from Bernstein:
"If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the persons giving the information."​

3- I haven't whitewashed everything...and I'm not hiding behind politically correct terms in order to spread hatred and acrimony.
Accusations of spreading "hatred and acrimony" - verging on what Bernstein said would happen next:
"If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal you are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons."​

Yet, as according to Berstein:
"But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong."​

That's all that is happening here Gwen . . . . Never do you try to prove the information wrong . . . .


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I read all that the first time you posted it...
again...not worth wasting my time with those who read waht they want, believe what they think they hear, and listen to no one but their own ideas and interpretations.


And just for an FYI, there are many of us who are still researching, and still finding bloodlines even today...it's time consuming...or have you even tried to research your heritage...even 3 generations removed can take weeks to be sure it's correct.

Imagine doing millenia of generations...

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[FONT=&quot] there are more peaceful ways of obtaining a country than terrorism[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] To bad the Zionists didn’t try that, or maybe we wouldn’t be in the situation we are today. [/FONT]

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I think their little "civil war" of the last 11 days pretty much proves, they can't live with themselves in peace...how can we expect them to live as a nation in peace?
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[FONT=&quot] Israel essentially created Hamas, funded them, provided them with weapons, support…. So they would counter the PLO in the 80’s and eairly 90’s. Hamas is doing exactly what Israel wanted, for them to fight the PLO and destabilize Palestine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Israel cannot exist with out war, it needs the Palestinians to kill Israelis, it needs rockets to fall, it needs suicide bombings, it needs Islamic fundamentalist…. Because with out those things they would not no justification for their occupation, no justification for their illegal settlements, no justification for their incursions, no justification for the thousands of Palestinians that are dead…. But most of all they would not be important to the US and would not get the billions of dollars they do. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] Read 1984, the concept of “perpetual war” draws earry parallels to the situation in Palestine. [/FONT]

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The only cold hard facts on real numbers of real casualties has been posted by me
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[FONT=&quot] The numbers are irrelevant to me, I care about human life. Doesn’t matter if it is 300 or 30,000. A life is a life is a life, your view is very cold and disconnected, which I guess a Zionist must be in order to justify and live with the thousands of innocent children massacred at their hands.[/FONT]




God hates injustice, he hates those who oppresses his children, he hates those who murder, who divide, who persecute. The oppression, death and persecution Israel has brought to his holy land is rivaled by no other. Jesus would be the first one marching against the wall, standing in front of the bulldozer, shielding Palestinian children from the stones thrown at them by Israeli settlers….

When you see Israelis uprooting olive trees of a poor Palestinian farmer who has farmed that land for generation after generation to build a new settlement, can you honestly ask yourself “what would Jesus do” and say that he would be there pulling up those poor man’s trees as well?


Christian Zionism is an oxymoron, one can not be a Christian and a Zionist together. For they stand for completely opposite ideals, they support radically opposite methods and most of all Christianity is a message of love, Zionism is one of racial superiority and racism.



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I read all that the first time you posted it...
again...not worth wasting my time with those who read waht they want, believe what they think they hear, and listen to no one but their own ideas and interpretations.


And just for an FYI, there are many of us who are still researching, and still finding bloodlines even today...it's time consuming...or have you even tried to research your heritage...even 3 generations removed can take weeks to be sure it's correct.

Imagine doing millenia of generations...

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Yet, as according to Berstein:
"But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong."​
That's all that is happening here Gwen . . . . Never do you try to prove the information wrong . . . .

Jews who could trace their bloodline back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob could always do so . . . What Jew is able to do so today?

God is through with the Jewish people as a nation. Their "dispensation" is over. The Church is now here. This state of Israel is the invention of man, not God's design. And, just as Jewish Sages predicted would happen if Jews tried to leave the diaspora on their own, this nation has become a thorn in the side of the world with untold misery and bloodshed.


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Yet, as according to Berstein:
"But, NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong."​
That's all that is happening here Gwen . . . . Never do you try to prove the information wrong . . . .
errr...you might want to rephrase that...as I've posted posted links to legitimate news agencies which disprove a lot of what's been said.
Jews who could trace their bloodline back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob could always do so . . . What Jew is able to do so today?
That's a blatant falsehood
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God is through with the Jewish people as a nation. Their "dispensation" is over. The Church is now here. This state of Israel is the invention of man, not God's design. And, just as Jewish Sages predicted would happen if Jews tried to leave the diaspora on their own, this nation has become a thorn in the side of the world with untold misery and bloodshed.


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So you keep saying, however Scripture and G-d's covenant says otherwise.

Covenants are a PERMANENT thing, NEVER broken, NEVER discarded. If they were, we'd all be going to hell, as Salvation is a Covenant...
 
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[FONT=&quot] To bad the Zionists didn’t try that, or maybe we wouldn’t be in the situation we are today.
The UN gave the palestinians a chance for their own country...they didn't want it then...the only truth here is...they don't want the jews there...adn even then they'd still fight amongst themselves [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Israel essentially created Hamas, funded them, provided them with weapons, support…. So they would counter the PLO in the 80’s and eairly 90’s. Hamas is doing exactly what Israel wanted, for them to fight the PLO and destabilize Palestine. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Israel cannot exist with out war, it needs the Palestinians to kill Israelis, it needs rockets to fall, it needs suicide bombings, it needs Islamic fundamentalist…. Because with out those things they would not no justification for their occupation, no justification for their illegal settlements, no justification for their incursions, no justification for the thousands of Palestinians that are dead…. But most of all they would not be important to the US and would not get the billions of dollars they do. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Read 1984, the concept of “perpetual war” draws earry parallels to the situation in Palestine.
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Israel couldn't exist without war...ya know why? Cause every country around them would destroy every citizen living in Israel if they all just suddenly laid down their arms...

remember...if jews lay down their weapons...there'd be no more jews....
of course, we already know that's the goal ;) it's no great secret


[FONT=&quot]The numbers are irrelevant to me, I care about human life. Doesn’t matter if it is 300 or 30,000. A life is a life is a life, your view is very cold and disconnected, which I guess a Zionist must be in order to justify and live with the thousands of innocent children massacred at their hands.
and the innocent jewish children aren't worthy of defense? how many jewish women and children were slaughtered at the hands of hamas, fatah, hezbollah etc etc etc....oh...but they aren't humans...they're just jews so those numbers don't count do they? :doh:[/FONT]



God hates injustice, he hates those who oppresses his children, he hates those who murder, who divide, who persecute. The oppression, death and persecution Israel has brought to his holy land is rivaled by no other. Jesus would be the first one marching against the wall, standing in front of the bulldozer, shielding Palestinian children from the stones thrown at them by Israeli settlers….

When you see Israelis uprooting olive trees of a poor Palestinian farmer who has farmed that land for generation after generation to build a new settlement, can you honestly ask yourself “what would Jesus do” and say that he would be there pulling up those poor man’s trees as well?
adn that's any different than the founding of any other country on the planet how? ohhh...but that's okay for them...cause they aren't jews! forgot that for a sec :doh:

Christian Zionism is an oxymoron, one can not be a Christian and a Zionist together. For they stand for completely opposite ideals, they support radically opposite methods and most of all Christianity is a message of love, Zionism is one of racial superiority and racism.

hrmmm now for a biblical perspective on zionism:
Psalm 9:11
Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.

Psalm 99:2
The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.

Psalm 102:16
When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.

Psalm 102:21
To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

Psalm 110:2
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Psalm 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

Psalm 134:3
The LORD that made heaven and earth bless thee out of Zion.

Psalm 146:10
The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

Isaiah 1:27
Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

Isaiah 24:23
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 33:5
The LORD is exalted; for he dwelleth on high: he hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness.

Isaiah 35:10
And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Isaiah 52:8
Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion.

Isaiah 62:11
Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

Joel 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.


All Scripture KJV
 
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This just somehow seems to fit so well:

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hey now...my zoomie SSgt daddy raised a Marine... :p He did such a good job on me, that I passed it on and my daughter is now a Marine :D
Got to love the Corp! Besides they have the best uniforms.
 
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