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thereselittleflower

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Then we can apply that the Palestinians and the future Palestinian state.
Apparently, what justifies every other country's right of existance doesn't apply to the Palestinians.

Before anyone accuses me of supporting terrorism, make sure you understand I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the arguments of others as MM just did above.

Israel is a terrorist state, built on terrorist acts.

So, why is Israel to be defended in its acts and what thsoe acts resulted in, but the Palestinians are not.

To say that the existance of the State of Israel is justified by the success of its acts and to say that the existance of the Palestinian state is not justified by the same acts is sheer hypocrisy.

It shows racial prejudice for the Jews and racial prejudice against the arab Palestinians.

God is not a respector of persons.

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[FONT=&quot] Lol, the UN did not create Israel. Armed Zionist militants did. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]After the British withdrew (because of Zionist terrorism against them) the UN came and tried to broker a deal between the native Palestinians and the European Zionist who had organized themselves into several groups which were engaged in ethnic cleansing regions to make way for more European Settlers. Zionists didn’t even have a problem killing a few hundreds Jews trapped on a ship to make a point. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] The UN could not reach an agreement that was accepted by both sides, so the UN negotiations failed. Zionist militants then began to push into Arab regions and started clearing out villages of Palestinians, murdering tens of thousands and forcing hundreds of thousands from their homes. Then the Zionist entity declared independence, the Arab states sent in military assistance to help the Palestinians being forced from their homes, but the US and England flew in billions in military supplies to the Zionist state and they were successful in their military campaign, and have militarily and illegally occupied the land ever since. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] A total of 1.6 million Palestinians were forced from their homes in that conflict, close to 30,000 innocent Palestinian men, women and children were massacred by Zionist forces. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To this date Israel refuses these Palestinians the right to return to their homes, their land, they continue to live in refugee camps with their family’s, generations born in refugee camps. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The ethnic cleansing did not stop there, in 1967 the Zionist entity attacked the Arab states and captured the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. In which they continue to displace the local population, building illegal settlements, slowly but surely continuing their campaign of ethnic cleansing that they started back in the 20’s. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] It is blatant racism and discrimination you practice to say that “Jews” can have the land, but the Arab Palestinians should be ethnic cleansed, forced off their land for White European Jews. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Israel is the modern Apartheid South Africa, and your support of it’s apartheid policies and racial discrimination are just as vial and just as un-Christian as those who supported Apartheid in the tip of Africa. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Why you have no compassion for your Palestinian brothers, the tens of thousands of Palestinian Christians that are oppressed, brutalized, subject to Israeli apartheid. Why you have no dismay over the consistent Israeli abuse of Christian Churches, their desecration and destruction of Christian shrines and holy sites… why you willfully ebrase this for a terroristic, secular, socialist Zionist entity is beyond me and beyond reasonable comprehension. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Jesus would be the first one standing in front of the bulldozers, not behind the wheel. [/FONT]
 
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By your criteria, America is a terrorist state build on terrorist acts. Maybe we should all just step aside and let the English, French, Spanish, and Native Americans take everything back over.
 
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Jews are not entitled to the Land that GOD GAVE THEM????


God took it away from the, or do you conviently ignore that part of the bible?

God gave the Land of Israel it His chosen, which are from SARAH'S WOMB not from the maid Hagar

You know what percentage of “Jews” are actually semetic? Less than 20%, and of that 20% how many can trace their linage back to Abraham is even smaller.

Most Jews today are White Europeans, descendent from various group which converted for a wide variety or reasons. Find me the Jews that can trace their family back to the womb of Sarah and you will have yourself an argument…. But that will be a few thousand people at best in the entire world.

As someone who is of Jewish decent and heirtage, you are beyond VASTLY mistaken to think I am not as close to Abraham as you.


Missy, if a person can sit under the hot Texan sun and stay as white as you are there is no question that there is not an ounce of desert blood in them…. You are not fooling anything with your lies.
 
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[FONT=&quot] What gives you the right to take the Palestinian land, the land of their forefathers for thousands of years?
The palestinian people have been refugees and outcasts in that land for centuries...but keep blamin' Israel..you seem to enjoy that scapegoat.[/FONT]
Actually my family comes from Turkey, the european bloodlines didn't hit until they came to American in the 1800's
The Palestinians along with every other Arab is far closer related to Abraham than most “Jews are” or you are.
Actually today's palestinians are usually decended from the Samaritans



Cause let's be real...it's not the Germans who took our land is it? [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Get rid of Israel and we would be making a good start, but far from riding everything wrong in the world. [/FONT]

Well...I guess we see where your true feelings lie...don't we
 
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[FONT=&quot]Lol, the UN did not create Israel. Armed Zionist militants did.
Once again you read what you want it to see and NOT what it really said:[/FONT]

when the UN RECOGNIZED ISRAEL....NOT CREATED ISRAEL.

Still adds up to the same old blah blah blah poor palestinians wah wah...
when history clearly shows:

IF they would have PARTICIPATED in the DEMOCRATIC government proposed to them, THEY WOULD have had land of THEIR OWN in 1949!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, alas, they refused....so now 60 years later they can claim to have a "legitimate" excuse for terrorism...
 
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Since I am semetic, that would make me against myself . .

I don't think you understand what that word means . . . .


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Actually I don't think you realize the side of the fence you've chosen is one in support of terrorism and racism at it's worst TLF...and it's a real pity that you refuse to see it...
 
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Gwen, can you trace your descent all the way to Abraham?

I will have to dig up my resources once again, but it seems to me that it was somwhere in that region that the forced conversions to Judaism occured which eventually moved to Europe.

The question is, can you trace your blood line back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? If not, then you can't claim to be Jewish of the race God gave the land of Israel too. All you can claim is to be descended from a line of converts.

God did not promise the land of Israel to converts, but to the actual descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


And, God gave it. Joshua tells us all the promises regarding the land had been fulfilled . . ALL without exception. Then God took the land away . . He has never promised to give it back.


There is no valid foundation from which to argue that the Zionist State of Israel is of God.

It is of man, pure and simple. It is merely Zionists masquerading as a group entiteld to land promised long ago to a particular family line of which they have no part.

Well...I guess we see where your true feelings lie...don't we

With the facts instead of myths perpetrated by Zionists, both "Jewish" and Christian.


I don't see you condemning the terrorists acts the State of Israel was founded on.

Just turn the clock back 60 years or so, change the names, and we have the exact same thing going on as we see today, except the Zionist "Jews" were the terrorists doing these horrendous acts . . .

Why don't you deal with those facts? Why do you whitewash the history of your "nation" of Israel?


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Actually I don't think you realize the side of the fence you've chosen is one in support of terrorism and racism at it's worst TLF...and it's a real pity that you refuse to see it...

No Gwen, I think it is YOU who do not realize what side of the fence you've chosen . . .

The side of the fence you have chosen to come down on supports terrorism and racism and has since early last century when those you support engaged in terrorst acts over, and over and over again, against the British, against the palestinian civilians, who were very patient by the way, so much so it was remarked on by the UN.

But patience can only last so long . . . .

You have come down on the side of the original terrorists in this conflict.


That is indeed a fact.


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I want everyone here who is griping about "Zionist terrorism" to demonstrate ONE country that was founded peacefully and has never been involved with state sponsored violence and bloodshed (including warfare). Until you can, your arguements may be well founded, but in the context of history, unimpressive. All nations are born in upheaval of the status quo and in violence. It is the history of mankind. Every historical marker in history is characterized by this group pouncing on that group, and this country taking over that country, or this group throwing off the "shackles of tyranny (sound familiar)". TO the group that is thowing the shackles off, they are righteous freedom fighters fighting for truth, liberty, baseball and apple pie. To the group that is on the other side of the fence, they are a bunch of treasonous rebel terrorists.
 
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Why do the Ashkenazi Jews run the show in Zionist Israel?

The ones who have this state of Israel are not descended from the ones who once had it.
How many people, and what ethnicity lived there right before it became called Israel in 48?

What advantage does the U.S. have from backing them so?

Where did the name Ashkenazi come from and why is the word nazi in it?

Howard, not taking sides, just learning.
 
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I want everyone here who is griping about "Zionist terrorism" to demonstrate ONE country that was founded peacefully and has never been involved with state sponsored violence and bloodshed
Antarctica? (sorry)
 
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Once again you read what you want it to see and NOT what it really said:

when the UN RECOGNIZED ISRAEL....NOT CREATED ISRAEL.

Sorry Gwen, first the UN CREATED Israel by partition where no Israeli state had existed in our time; then there was revolt by the Arabs because that CREATION resulted from the terrorist acts of the Zionists forcing the issue, because the Arabs knew what was the clear agenda of the Zionists, which had been clearly stated by their leaders, to take all the land originally promised Abraham and controlled by David and Solomon; because of the Zionist threats to anihilate the Arabs in their way.

Then Israel responded to the rebellion by the Palestinians by fighting a war in which they were better armed and supported, taking a great deal more land than was originally given.

Still adds up to the same old blah blah blah poor palestinians wah wah...
when history clearly shows:

Such disrespect Gwen. All you are doing is presenting modernist, revisionist history favoring Zionism, whitewashing the real historical facts against Zionism and the State of Israel right out of the picture.

IF they would have PARTICIPATED in the DEMOCRATIC government proposed to them, THEY WOULD have had land of THEIR OWN in 1949!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this, by itself, clearly demonstrates you have no real understanding about what really happend. To have accepted the partition given by the UN would have meant aquisance to terrorism and its fruits. To have accepted the partition given by the UN would have meant rolling over and playing dead to promises given and broken regarding Palestinian state hood.

But, alas, they refused....so now 60 years later they can claim to have a "legitimate" excuse for terrorism...

So what is the legitimate basis of Israel's "legitimate" excuse of terrorism that resulted in the UN partition in the first place?

What is the ;legitimate basis for Zionism's chain gangs attacking Palestinian civilians, wiping out whole villiages?


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I want everyone here who is griping about "Zionist terrorism" to demonstrate ONE country that was founded peacefully and has never been involved with state sponsored violence and bloodshed (including warfare).

I want to know why everyone here is griping about Palestinian terrorism when Zionist terrorism defended and obvioulsy perfectly OK according to the logic above, yet Palestinians are not allowed to use the same methods to found their own statehood?

Such hypocrisy!!!!


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wow...and you can't see the difference of 60 years!???

The last recorded Zionist terrorist act was in 1949, 3 weeks before Israel was recognized as a legitimate nation with a legitimate government...

Palestine...wait! They aren't even a nation yet, and they're killing each other off...hrmmm what was I thinking!
 
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Gwen, can you trace your descent all the way to Abraham?

I will have to dig up my resources once again, but it seems to me that it was somwhere in that region that the forced conversions to Judaism occured which eventually moved to Europe.
that would be forced conversions to Islam dear....
We can trace our line past the rise of Islam, and nearly to the rise of the RC...the research continues...as with all Jews, we continually search our heritage and embrace it...Though it's funny you shoudl say converts aren't included...when in the very line of Messiah a convert is found....a Moabitess...who turns out to be David's great grandmother...You may recall the book of Ruth


And, God gave it. Joshua tells us all the promises regarding the land had been fulfilled . . ALL without exception. Then God took the land away . . He has never promised to give it back.
1- zionist is just a politically correct term for anti-semitism...pity you can't see that
2- I don't see you bashing the US for thier "terrorism" against England when we won our liberty...but you expect me to bash Israel?
3- I haven't whitewashed everything...and I'm not hiding behind politically correct terms in order to spread hatred and acrimony.
 
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Hypocrisy???

Let's talk about this:

Palestinian homicide bombers are the ones killing CHILDREN in the streets of Israel

Palestinian sabotage and explosive devices are blowing up schools and hospitals, market places .... places frequented by WOMEN and CHILDREN.

They aren't taking to the MEN, or the MILITARY...but when Israel acts with it's military, and gives warning to the civilians to vacate the area...wow...now they're just so wrong!

It's a harsh world, and a hard truth, but really...you should research the propaganda you're believing...cause it's not the truth...
 
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