THEY CALL IT THE GREAT COMMISSION , REALLY ?

[Maria Billingsley]

Many say that the GREAT COMMISSION so called , in Matt 28:19 is for all BELIEVERS ,

#1 So when is this GREAT COMMISSION TO BEGIN ? And some say it is already in operation ?

#2 Who are these people that will carry this GREAT COMMISSION forward .

#3 I wonder if any one has seen it in operation , YET ?

#4 All should TEACH / MATHETUO and what are they to TEACH , pray tell ? That Jesus is coming for them and to REPENT .

#5 And they are to teach all NATIONS / ETHNOS ,

#6 You are to BAPTIZE / BAPTIZO , in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , PARTICIPLE , NOMINATIVE CASE , and PLURAL .

#7 BUT verse 16 Christ is speaking to the 11 disciples , NOT TO THE BODY OF CHRIST as the B O C has NOT yet been formed .

#8 The Greek word NATION / ETHNOS is also found in John 11:48 , and they want to be rid of Him and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and NATION / ETHNOS , so what does NATION means then ?

#9 NATION / ETHNOS can be translated b y the following words , PEOPLE , HEATHEN , NATION , GENTILES , so which one is IT ? Read John 11:48 and 51 and tell all what NATION / ETHNOS then means ?

#10 I believe that the so -called GREAT COMMISSION is to the Jews that are scattered all over the world i.

#11 And that preaching will happen BEFORE the GREAT TRIBULATION , which makes me a PRE - TRIBULATIONIST.

dan p

For forum respect and clarity, can only Dispensationalists comment on this thread? I am always at odds with what is being posted here. Thanks for sharing!
Blessings

 

[eleos1954]

Many say that the GREAT COMMISSION so called , in Matt 28:19 is for all BELIEVERS ,

#1 So when is this GREAT COMMISSION TO BEGIN ? And some say it is already in operation ?

#2 Who are these people that will carry this GREAT COMMISSION forward .

#3 I wonder if any one has seen it in operation , YET ?

#4 All should TEACH / MATHETUO and what are they to TEACH , pray tell ? That Jesus is coming for them and to REPENT .

#5 And they are to teach all NATIONS / ETHNOS ,

#6 You are to BAPTIZE / BAPTIZO , in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , PARTICIPLE , NOMINATIVE CASE , and PLURAL .

#7 BUT verse 16 Christ is speaking to the 11 disciples , NOT TO THE BODY OF CHRIST as the B O C has NOT yet been formed .

#8 The Greek word NATION / ETHNOS is also found in John 11:48 , and they want to be rid of Him and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and NATION / ETHNOS , so what does NATION means then ?

#9 NATION / ETHNOS can be translated b y the following words , PEOPLE , HEATHEN , NATION , GENTILES , so which one is IT ? Read John 11:48 and 51 and tell all what NATION / ETHNOS then means ?

#10 I believe that the so -called GREAT COMMISSION is to the Jews that are scattered all over the world i.

#11 And that preaching will happen BEFORE the GREAT TRIBULATION , which makes me a PRE - TRIBULATIONIST.

dan p

Christians (not just jews) are to point others to Jesus .... whether one chooses to accept them as their Lord and Savior is up to them.

Many of the original jews lost site of that and were ingrained in their ethnicity (their decent) the main responsibility of spreading the gospel was given to the gentiles (at the stoning of Stephen) .... the apostles were of jewish decent (and they struggled with this at times) .... but they saw their higher calling in Jesus .... they were christian jews ... they put Jesus first (as we all should do)

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

the apostles were of jewish decent

Not all of them.

 

[eleos1954]

Not all of them.

who of the twelve were not from jewish decent?

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

who of the twelve were not from jewish decent?

There were other apostles besides the 12.

 

[eleos1954]

There were other apostles besides the 12.

There can only be twelve apostles because the holy city, the New Jerusalem, has only twelve foundations. As Jesus revealed to John: “The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:14)

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

There can only be twelve apostles because the holy city, the New Jerusalem, has only twelve foundations. As Jesus revealed to John: “The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:14)

I can prove that there are more than 12 apostles.

 

[eleos1954]

I can prove that there are more than 12 apostles.

Read the verse my friend.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Read the verse my friend.

Are you asking me to? Sorry confused about what you mean. But here is my proof nonetheless.

"But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it," (Acts 14:14)

 

[eleos1954]

Are you asking me to? Sorry confused about what you mean. But here is my proof nonetheless.

"But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it," (Acts 14:14)

Luke described Barnabas as someone distinct from the Twelve. He was sent with Paul to proclaim the gospel, and in this sense, he was an apostle. He cannot be used an example of someone who received an apostleship that was the same as the Twelve or Paul and thus be used as precedent for anyone to claim a similar apostleship today.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Luke described Barnabas as someone distinct from the Twelve. He was sent with Paul to proclaim the gospel, and in this sense, he was an apostle. He cannot be used an example of someone who received an apostleship that was the same as the Twelve or Paul and thus be used as precedent for anyone to claim a similar apostleship today.

My argument has never been that Barnabas was the same as the 12. But he was an apostle.

 

[Dan Perez]

For forum respect and clarity, can only Dispensationalists comment on this thread? I am always at odds with what is being posted here. Thanks for sharing!
Blessings

It is for anyone that wants to reply ,

dan p

 

[Guojing]

Well, if you want to say it is only the apostles and Jews, then I guess only apostles and Jews can baptize and make disciples.

When you read Matthew 19:28

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

you have no problem believing that the them in that verse only refers to the 12 correct?

So what makes Matthew 28:18 them different, that you want to apply it beyond the 12?

 

[Diamond7]

Many say that the GREAT COMMISSION so called , in Matt 28:19 is for all BELIEVERS ,

He is talking to His disciples. He tells them: " teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. That is rare today that anyone teaches that we are to obey all the commandments that Jesus gives us. Even Paul had a: The Lord says vs what Paul says. "Now to the rest I say (I, not the Lord)" 1 Corinthians 7:12.

1 Corinthians 7:6
I say this as a concession, not as a command.

Jesus said that they were to teach them to follow the commandments. The issue with the religious leaders is they did not know what the commanments are.

 

[Dan Perez]

Then why does Christ say in the same context, "I am with you always; even to the end of the age,"?

The word AGE / AION a noun means and indefinite duration or time .

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

There were other apostles besides the 12.

Eph 4:11 And He gave , indeed , the APOSTLES , and the PROHETS , and the EVANGELISTS , and PASTORS , and TEACHERS .

This means that in the BODY of CHRIST there were the above and the Greek word APOSTLES / APOLOSTLOS just means that they are MESSENGERS ,

dan p

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Not only Jesus but the prophets had constantly reminded the jews that it was offered to them and the gentiles equally, to be grafted into the stock of Jesse.

 

[Dan Perez]

Not only Jesus but the prophets had constantly reminded the jews that it was offered to them and the gentiles equally, to be grafted into the stock of Jesse.

It would help , if all would write the verse where the GREAT COMMISSION was offered to Gentiles ?

If we are to go to all NATIONS / ETHNOS what does NATION are they taking about ?

dan p