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Genesis 36: Did God Really Hate Esau? « The Chronological Bible Project

I would suggest you read that. In addition, it's all about the sovereignty of God.

Very good link. It concurs with my study bible.

Hatred is a covenant term used to contrast God's loyal love for Jacob who was chosen to be the instrument of redemption. Esau and Jacob were twin sons of Isaac, grandsons of Abraham. Only one of them could provide the family line through which the Messiah would come. The point of this verse is primarily that God chose Jacob (made a covenant with him) for that special role and not Esau.

Good example of why it is important not to take verses out of context and why good study material is need when one becomes confused. Thank you.
 
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I appreciate your reply, but my own salvation did not happen that way. I walked in my bedroom, sat down and asked God to forgive me, and He baptized me in His Spirit right then. I fell to the ground in worship, totally convicted of my sins,and His love was poured out on me. I drank in my Bible like it was living water. I saw visions of Jesus for an entire week. Everything about me changed in a split second-every sin that I loved, I simply hated in a split second, and could not stand to be around other people who did those things. All I did was witness, witness, witness. I FELT His Spirit enter my body! God SPOKE to me, over and over, telling me how much He loved me and that I was His daughter! I fell in love with Jesus, and actually saw a vision of Him on the cross, looking down on ME standing at the bottom of the cross. The vision made me cry so much that I had to pull over on the side of the road.

I changed immedietely when His Spirit entered me-not over time. My conversion was similar to Paul's when he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. God gave me knowledge of things in the Bible that I had never even read before-I would read the verses and realize that He had already spoken those things to me!

I do not watch TV btw. I do nothing but go to work, church, Bible Study, read my Bible, or come on this forum to learn.

I do not know what happened to me when I "felt" something leave my body-and I cannot have peace until God shows me that I had not committed the unpardonable sin.

Yes, of course I know that my salvation rests completely on what Jesus did for us-but you are mistaken to believe that a person can be saved once, and sin their life away, forget about Jesus, and still enter Heaven. That is a lie.

Do you honestly think that an 8 year old kid can walk up in church, say the so called "sinners prayer" and then when he's an adult, go out and become a rapist and serial killer and still make it to Heaven? Do you honestly believe that our perfect, Holy God would allow such sin in Heaven, just because that person had said a sinners prayer when they were a kid?
 
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i never said that a person was saved once and could sin away.. that is contrary to what i believe. i wanna add that you are using words like rapist and serial killer.. my mind doesn't even go there.. i find you quite offensive.. i can't believe you are attacking me.. enough said .
 
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??? I'm very sorry if you feel that I am attacking you-I am not. But I do not believe that a person can be saved at a young age and then fall away from God and still expect to enter the Kingdom of God.

You find me "offensive?" I'm very sorry that you find my questioning offensive....I am not trying to be offensive and I am sorry that you are so upset with me. I am not sure why....? Because I asked you about someone who sinned and losing their salvation becoming saved again? Someone who falls away from the Lord cannot enter Heaven-you know that, right?

Peter was saved...he walked with the Lord for over 3 years, but then he denied Him. He had to repent and come back to the Lord to be saved again. If he had not repented, he would not have been saved.

There is a book I would like to suggest to you. It is called "The Believer's conditional security" by Dan Corner. It's very good, and it lists all the Bible verses that say that a person is saved IF they continue to the End.

Jesus will not leave us or forsake us...but WE can certainly fall short by not bearing fruit, falling away, willfully sinning, etc. etc. It's all in the Bible.

God bless you!
 
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migdala, I want some answer from you that is what are you thinking about Islam?
do you know anything about Mohamed nabi

I just got off work-I cannot spend every second on this website-I'm sorry I have not answered you quickly. lol

I do not know anything about Islam or Mohamed Nabi, whoever he is. All I know is that Islam is not the way to Heaven. I trust in my Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only way to salvation.
 
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I don't know if I asked you this before, but have you actually ever been baptized?

And FWIW, the sinner's prayer has no Biblical basis. Jesus said to believe and confess. That's it.

I have been baptized three times. I know, not necessary, but I did anyway. The first time was when I was a small child-my parents wanted me to, so I did. I had no clue what I was doing or what it meant. The second time was when the Holy Spirit led me to the Lord when I was a teenager. I fell away from the Lord for many years, then repented and came back to Him a few years ago. I got baptized a few months after I repented. Why do you ask?
 
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Hi, I am so sorry you are going through this frusterating times, in my teachings I have some basics to put a person on a right track. it is a battle in the mind. this is why it is so important to renew your mind
daily by the Word, Jesus was the word before He was born into this
world.

John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.
4In Him was life and that life was the Light of men.
5And the Light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jesus came to give us life more abundantly, satan came to steal, to kill
andto destroy. You must make a decision of whom you will serve.
Fear is of satan, faith is to believe his promises.
Choose this day of whom you will serve.

These are these are some of his promises.

John 16:13However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come.


1Thess.5:
16Rejoice evermore.

17Pray without ceasing.
18In every thing give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19Quench not the Spirit.
20Despise not prophesyings.
21Test all things; hold fast to that which is good.
22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be
reserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is He that calleth you; He also will do it.
As we go along in His Word, your faith will grow.

I can say today with all my heart[spirit] as in John5:14-15
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He that hath the Son has life; and he that has not the Son does no not have life. These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.

And this is the confidence that we have in Him: that if we ask anything according to His will ,---[His Word is His his will]--- He heareth us. And if we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him. Respecfully, Parsonsmom
 
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Thank you for your reply! Yes, renewing the mind is the key...something I am trying so very hard to do. It always amazes me at how some people are so good at doing it, and others struggle so much. I've been the latter, but am trying to just speak who I am in Christ over and over and trying to realize that not every "vision" that people have is actually from God-Satan can cause attacks that can probably make people believe it is from God too maybe....I don't know, but he probably can.
 
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Thank you for your reply! Yes, renewing the mind is the key...something I am trying so very hard to do. It always amazes me at how some people are so good at doing it, and others struggle so much. I've been the latter, but am trying to just speak who I am in Christ over and over and trying to realize that not every "vision" that kkpeople have is actually from God-Satan can cause attacks that can probably make people believe it is from God too maybe....I
don't know, but he probably can.

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I would like to be able to share some things with you, with your permission.
I have been there and done that, when I started searching for information,
you have never heard so much just non truth's;manmade rules, plenty of
criticism about other ministries. I do know how you feel. it is the calling on mylife to
help those that are struggling to get our balance. your sister in Christ. Parsonsmom
 
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