Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
I don't believe anyone has suggested that you cannot trust the Scriptures. What is and remains a fact though, is reading a biased English translation, completely divorced from the context and Tradition that formed it, is highly dangerous.
where do you get 2 and 3 from?!
2. From Brother Anglicans posts. 3. Because the LDS says so which is what others from the Apostolic churches always tell me...trust us because we say so.
methinks perhaps you need to be more discerning and not just swallow everything people tell you ....
methinks perhaps you need to be more discerning and not just swallow everything people tell you ....
How about this the most loving and Christ like people I have met have been Mormons.
I have been sticking to Mainstream Christianity because it is what I knew before I went through a Wiccan/Buddhist phase.
Why should I trust anyone else if I see such good fruit comming from one source?
Because the LDS says so which is what others from the Apostolic churches always tell me...trust us because we say so.
i aint denying that --- ive met some Mormons who were really great people, but ive also met some Atheists who were equally nice. for as great as the Mormons can be, the truth can make you a million times more like Christ. Orthodox Saints and modern holy people simply blow the Mormons or anyone else out of the water.
I have read about and met Christian priests Orthodox and Catholic, Buddhist Saints, Baha'i's and have yet to see any miracle in person.
Why should I trust your supernatural stories over other Faiths or Christian sects stories?
that comes down to your own spiritual journey. you shouldnt just trust me or any stories. keep seeking.
Well this true apostolic authority is questionable..I grew up Evangelical but have found out from Anglian they cannot be the true church since they follow the Bible. Since the LDS has true apostolic authority given to them by Christ they have a good shot at being the true Isreal.
I grew up Evangelical but have found out from Anglian they cannot be the true church since they follow the Bible. Since the LDS has true apostolic authority given to them by Christ they have a good shot at being the true Isreal.
Well this true apostolic authority is questionable..
I do not even know who de Montfort is. Why would I listen to him over what the scriptures attest to?What St. Paul says of himself is necessarily more applicable to her who actually formed Christ in her womb. All the elect must be formed in the womb of the Mother of God.
We are not formed in the womb of Mary. We are formed in the womb of our own mother.. Mary has nothing to do with our new birth in Christ. For this comes from the Father.
I will quote at length from de Montfort:
---------
[1]
[2]
Well this is what Pilgrim to Christ stated.That's interesting, I though it was an Egyptian one too.
Mind you, what any of this has to do with the practice, endorsed by the same Church that endorsed the NT, of Marian veneration, only you know.We do not think the Blessed Theotokos a goddess - a point made to you and others here about a 1000 times in recent threads, so it is disappointing to see it being given another airing.
peace,
Anglian
Well, you could say that God deified Mary, yes. But you have to understand what "deification" means. You could say that Mary is a goddess, though that would be likely misinterpreted, as some have misinterpreted Jesus saying that "ye are gods". It is best to say simply that Mary is the creature most exalted in all of Creation, the closest to God. Martin Luther said that if he had as many tongues as there are blades of grass in the world, he could not say what it means to be the Mother of God. St. Louis de Montfort said that Mary acquired such merit that it would easier to count the stars in the sky, the drops of water in the ocean, that it would be to count the merits and graces given to the Blessed Virgin. I would not hesitate to say that it is a mystery to the angels and even to the Blessed Virgin herself, as God is infinitely greater than her and thus she herself cannot fully comprehend the infinite graces that He has given to her.
Dear Standing Up,
I have no idea what Popology is, but linguistically it must means studying the words of the bishop of Rome. Since Christians are admonished in Scripture to obey those placed in authority above them, it seems very scriptural to study the words of one's bishops.
In terms of St. Mary, the Blessed Theotokos, no one, including you, has shown when the practice of Marian veneration was novel; nor when it was contested; nor where it is other than orthodox.
Our friend PilgrimToChrist posted some time ago Rev. 12:1-6, which is the Scriptural foundation for the practice, only to be told by MamaZ that this was not at all what it meant - in MamaZ's reading. Yet this is what Fathers such a Oecumenius read it as being. It seems unclear why we should prefer modern readings to those of the ancients.
Of course, if one absolutely insists that the Church, which gives us warrant for the NT being what it claims, and which identified the correct books, was unaware of a contradiction between that book and its Marian veneration, then one constructs an argument for one's own views that the contradiction must be there; if one stops such gymnastics and accepts what the early Church held universally, then one aligns oneself with the teaching of that Church.
Or one can continue with the attempt to construct the ancient Church in an image one can accept.
peace,
Anglian
Yes, and as you see from the part you embolded, she is saying what I said, that we do not worship the Blessed Theotokos as a goddess, although there are those misguided people who imagine we do so.Well this is what Pilgrim to Christ stated.
Well, let's revisit this.Honestly if Matthew did not say what it dose I would have no problem accepting a toned down version of Marian veneration.
If what you are after is a church which agrees with you, then fair enough. If you want the Church which pronounced on the nature of the NT, it also pronounced St. Mary ever Virgin. (Ephesus 431).Or if the Marian veneration was about Mary being the most blessed while not being sinless or an ever virgin then I can agree with it.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?