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That's interesting, I though it was an Egyptian one too.It is a greek practice of veneration to a godess and having those in heaven to protect for certain things.
I am confused a little bit about protestant churchs being Isreal.. Would you expound on this more.Just as Isreal would worship other gods but still was able to give the apostolic churches the OT so to from the corrupt apostolic churches do we get the NT it's pretty simple. Protestant churches are Isreal the chosen people. Which is one reason why I am currently looking into the LDS. So I can possibly be apart of the one true Christian church.
Also you yourself has admited that Marian veneration is an outgrowth of tradition. It was not there from the beginning.
Since, as I have just told dear MamaZ, it has been made clear for the 1001th time that no one here regards the Blessed Virgin as a goddess, I have no idea what worshipping other Gods has to do with anything.Just as Isreal would worship other gods but still was able to give the apostolic churches the OT so to from the corrupt apostolic churches do we get the NT it's pretty simple. Protestant churches are Isreal the chosen people. Which is one reason why I am currently looking into the LDS. So I can possibly be apart of the one true Christian church.
Also you yourself has admited that Marian veneration is an outgrowth of tradition. It was not there from the beginning.
I am confused a little bit about protestant churchs being Isreal.. Would you expound on this more.
I grew up LDS.. This was before I came to know Christ. So I would have to say no..I have a theory that God would not leave his church without divine guidenace if the Bible truly is not to be used alone. Whoever this church is... is to me considered Isreal the choosen ones. I have recently found out that the LDS church had divine manesfestaions appear to it's prophet and was given the keys of the apostles. Hence they are the only church with 12 living apostles in it. Could it be Isreal? Maybe.
I grew up LDS.. This was before I came to know Christ. So I would have to say no..
All you have provided as evidence that the practice did not begin until later is your say so. I don't consider that a particularly reliable source.Clearly, when Stephen and James the Greater were martyred, the Apostolic Catholic Orthodox Church had two perfect examples to introduce the idea of venerating the saints, praying to the deceased, whatever. The Church did not introduce the practice. It arose some 300 years later.
Sounds very similar to Mohammed. What means did they use to test the spirit of these 'divine' manifestations?I have recently found out that the LDS church had divine manesfestaions appear to it's prophet and was given the keys of the apostles.
Those who have grown up with Christianity Lite (tm) and have not experienced the full cream version all seem intent on convincing us of the evils of cream, but those of us who have experienced the full cream version know there is simply no substitute.
But now we have the cannon of scripture and its truth.. So therefore we need to take what the scriptures say as a light unto our Path.
Paul says the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.1 Timothy 3:14-15
Although I hope to come to you soon, I am writing you these instructions so that, if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Jeremiah 7 & 44 is not about veneration of a woman but worship of a false god (goddess in this case). Since we do not consider Mary to be a god (or goddess), nor do we burn incense to her nor pour out drink offerings to her nor bake bread offerings for her, I fail to see what Jeremiah has to do with the veneration of the mother of God.The scriptures speak for themselves.. Therefore when we read about Gods anger kindled against those who held a woman is high esteem and venerated her we can be assured that He would not change is Position on this.
It is a pagan practice to worship false gods. Those who venerate Mary and the Saints are not engaging in the worship of false gods.It is a greek practice of veneration to a godess and having those in heaven to protect for certain things.
Sounds very similar to Mohammed. What means did they use to test the spirit of these 'divine' manifestations?
That is one of the major problems of Islam which even they will admit. Islam teaches not to accept the revelations of spirits, and yet Mohammed readily accepted what he was given without putting it to any test.
John
He prayed to God to show him the true church since he could not tell which one was it himself. God then appeared and told him there was none at the moment on earth that had the true baptism. He was very shaken by his encounter.
I have as much reason to believe his account as any other biblical person or saint as the manifestations are very similar to others found in the Bible and other apostolic churches.
So maybe I should try his approach to find out if the Bible is correct or not?
That's nice I suppose.
Except the theology he got from his encounters is strangely novel. No, we have absolutely no reason to believe him.
That doesn't sound like a good idea.
I think at this point LivinDesert is just yankin our chains. I find it hard to believe anyone could be so disassociated with reality as to think Islam and the LDS have as much authority as the Saints, all at the same time. He would either have to have zero understanding of Christianity or is just trying to get a rise out of everyone.
I am just looking at it with fresh eye being partial to no faith except that which God put in my heart.
I know 1. The LDS produce good fruit , 2. The Bible dose not mean what it says therefore interpetaion is needed 3. The only church with living apostles for that interpetation is the LDS church.
I am deadly serious Inter... If I am not to trust the Bible then I can trust no tradition steming from the apostolic churches.
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