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As scientists like Hawking have explained, our usual everyday understanding of cause and effect doesn't apply to the beginning of the universe.
As scientists like Hawking have explained, our usual everyday understanding of cause and effect doesn't apply to the beginning of the universe.
With an endless cosmos, it must be happening constantly somewhere.
Is that what you call an 'appeal to authority' argument?
No, please read what they've actually written and the scientific arguments involved.
Seeing as God is not bound by the laws of causality, I don't see how this is a problem for a theistic interpretation.
Not to mention that they don't apply the rules consistently anyway.You can't explain the origins of the universe by apply rules and laws of the universe to a state where no such universe exists.
Boxing Pythagoras said:Asking “What happened before the first moment of Time?” is precisely akin to “What place lies north of the North Pole?” There are no places to the north of the North Pole. The North Pole is the northernmost point on the globe. If you were to be standing on the North Pole, and you took one big step in any direction, that step would take you directly south. In exactly the same way, it does not make sense to ask, “What happened before the first moment of Time?” There is no way for a thing to happen before the first moment of Time, because things only happen within Time, and there is no Time which exists before the first moment.
The universe has always existed. Now, the question of whether its history is past-infinite or past-finite is certainly intriguing, and well worth study, but it is ultimately irrelevant to the question, “What happened before the universe?” There very simply is no such thing as “before the universe.”
This "cosmological argument" of the "first cause" is fallacious nonsense. Why? Because it takes natural laws that apply IN THE UNIVERSE and tries to apply it to a state where NO SUCH UNIVERSE exists.
It's like you guys didn't even read the original post. Here is more:
It's actually really simple guys....
This "cosmological argument" of the "first cause" is fallacious nonsense. Why? Because it takes natural laws that apply IN THE UNIVERSE and tries to apply it to a state where NO SUCH UNIVERSE exists.
The phenomena of causality is such a thing. Causality is a phenomena that is part of physics "as we know it".
These physics are descriptive of how the universe works.
You remove the universe and then pretend that these laws (=physics) still apply.
It could be, but it is very unlikely.
Causality is necessarily dependend on the existance of a time dimension - perhaps even a space dimension, but I'll let that slide for now.
Time is a integral part OF the universe itself.
The universe is also called "the space-time continuum".
In other words, for causality/physics as we know it to apply, the universe MUST exist.
You can't explain the origins of the universe by apply rules and laws of the universe to a state where no such universe exists.
You got a chicken and egg problem if you try to do so.
Causality requires time.
Time is an integral part of the universe, the space-time continuum.
No universe = no space-time = no space and no time.
No universe = no physics of the universe
The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time.[31] Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.
False, since there were two of God's Days/Ages, or some 10 Billion years in man's time BEFORE the Big Bang of our cosmos. God made other "heavens" on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 to add to the first firmament, which He called "heaven", on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 That makes THREE heavens or universes within the Multiverse, which is beginning to be physically confirmed by the Europeans. https://www.newscientist.com/articl...s-could-be-first-glimpse-of-another-universe/ Amen?
Because God made it that way.
According to my faith/belief.
Feel free to disagree if you wish.
That's not science.
Quoting the Bible, written by people who thought the sun revolves around the earth, is irrelevant to science.
Because God made it that way.
According to my faith/belief.
Feel free to disagree if you wish.
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