There was a Communion Rail and Everyone Survived

[Michie]

Over this past weekend, I headed to Louisville to celebrate a birthday, and this morning went to Mass at St. Martin of Tours Shrine.

Louisville has a wealth of rich liturgy – hopefully it will survive – partly because the Catholic history of this area runs so deep – really to the beginning of post-Colonial Catholic life in the United States.

Today, we were at the Shrine of St. Martin of Tours – home of two important relics

I’m just going to share some photos. This was Novus Ordo, much Latin, a powerful 4-member schola (my Offspring and I were both shocked when we were walking back from Communion to see, up in the loft, that there were only four voices filling that space), a COMMUNION RAIL, Mass celebrated AD ORIENTEM and lots and lots of chant.

(Followed at noon by a TLM, BTW)

And messages, in both bulletin, worship aid and homily about Jesus’ mandate to serve the poor and his welcoming to children – of whom there were… a lot.

Once more, I can’t help but pointing out the utter insanity and yes, stupidity of bishops who go to war against all of these elements. Y’all are just dumb. Stop it.

Continued below.

There was a Communion Rail and Everyone Survived

Over this past weekend, I headed to Louisville to celebrate a birthday, and this morning went to Mass at St. Martin of Tours Shrine. Louisville has a wealth of rich liturgy – hopefully it wil…

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[chevyontheriver]

Over this past weekend, I headed to Louisville to celebrate a birthday, and this morning went to Mass at St. Martin of Tours Shrine.

Louisville has a wealth of rich liturgy – hopefully it will survive – partly because the Catholic history of this area runs so deep – really to the beginning of post-Colonial Catholic life in the United States.

Today, we were at the Shrine of St. Martin of Tours – home of two important relics

I’m just going to share some photos. This was Novus Ordo, much Latin, a powerful 4-member schola (my Offspring and I were both shocked when we were walking back from Communion to see, up in the loft, that there were only four voices filling that space), a COMMUNION RAIL, Mass celebrated AD ORIENTEM and lots and lots of chant.

(Followed at noon by a TLM, BTW)

And messages, in both bulletin, worship aid and homily about Jesus’ mandate to serve the poor and his welcoming to children – of whom there were… a lot.

Once more, I can’t help but pointing out the utter insanity and yes, stupidity of bishops who go to war against all of these elements. Y’all are just dumb. Stop it.

Continued below.

There was a Communion Rail and Everyone Survived

Over this past weekend, I headed to Louisville to celebrate a birthday, and this morning went to Mass at St. Martin of Tours Shrine. Louisville has a wealth of rich liturgy – hopefully it wil…

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A communion rail, much Latin, ad orientem, chant ... the horrors ... the sacrilege ... the deviance ... the utter backwardness of it all. It must be stamped out. Send in a Boomer priest to restore clown masses or something. We must have liturgical uniformity so we can promote diversity and inclusion.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

A communion rail, much Latin, ad orientem, chant ... the horrors ... the sacrilege ... the deviance ... the utter backwardness of it all. It must be stamped out. Send in a Boomer priest to restore clown masses or something. We must have liturgical uniformity so we can promote diversity and inclusion.

Pulease! Vatican II changed the Mass and the council fathers were not boomers, as they were born before 1946.

 

[joymercy]

A communion rail, much Latin, ad orientem, chant ... the horrors ... the sacrilege ... the deviance ... the utter backwardness of it all. It must be stamped out. Send in a Boomer priest to restore clown masses or something. We must have liturgical uniformity so we can promote diversity and inclusion.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Pulease! Vatican II changed the Mass and the council fathers were not boomers, as they were born before 1946.

The mass was changed in 1970 and the current version of the mass is substantially different than that actually envisioned by Vatican II documents.

Oh, and I mentioned a 'boomer priest' because most younger priests wouldn't eagerly forbid communion on the tongue, or kneeling for communion the way some of the 'better indoctrinated' boomer priests and bishops would.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The mass was changed in 1970 and the current version of the mass is substantially different than that actually envisioned by Vatican II documents.

Oh, and I mentioned a 'boomer priest' because most younger priests wouldn't eagerly forbid communion on the tongue, or kneeling for communion the way some of the 'better indoctrinated' boomer priests and bishops would.

Actually the Mass changed in the 1960's, I was there. The Church doesn't mandate that communion on the tongue is the
only way to receive. I fact as I grew up before Vatican II with the TLM, sticking your tongue out to receive Holy Communion
was an abnormal way to take and eat. Jesus never mandated receiving on the tongue. The practice was odd and most
Catholics who were in the Church before Vatican II, receive in the hand and got more out of Mass once the vernacular
was allowed. Better to understand the words of prayer than to sit there and listen to the priest and altar boys mumble
the words that were mostly mimicked. Keep in mind that PA systems were not what they are today!

 

[Lady Bug]

Actually the Mass changed in the 1960's, I was there. The Church doesn't mandate that communion on the tongue is the
only way to receive. I fact as I grew up before Vatican II with the TLM, sticking your tongue out to receive Holy Communion
was an abnormal way to take and eat. Jesus never mandated receiving on the tongue. The practice was odd and most
Catholics who were in the Church before Vatican II, receive in the hand and got more out of Mass once the vernacular
was allowed. Better to understand the words of prayer than to sit there and listen to the priest and altar boys mumble
the words that were mostly mimicked. Keep in mind that PA systems were not what they are today!

I live in a town where I sometimes attend a parish similar to the article in the OP. It is beautiful inside and has the communion rail, ad orientem, some chant, some Latin, and I do love it and I think most of the parishioners do too, but (and here is a big but) I think it causes some of them to delegitimize other ways that parishes do their Mass. I also think it's kind of hypocritical because their Saturday Vigils can have the same hymns as other more "modern" parishes do. Namely "Better is One Day." If you have a song like that at your parish and still delegitimize other parishes who are more "modern," I do think that's kind of hypocritical. Even if it's "only" at your Vigil Masses.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Actually the Mass changed in the 1960's, I was there.

I was there too. There was a quickly done English version in 1965 that was pretty much a direct translation of the TLM. Then in 1970 we got something very different. Archbishop Lefebvre had no issue with the 1965 stuff but had a cow with the 1970 stuff. For him it wasn't about the language. It was about the actual rite.

The Church doesn't mandate that communion on the tongue is the
only way to receive.

Some bishops and priests DO mandate that communion in the hand is the only way to receive. But they are wrong in mandating that. Some bishops and priests DO mandate that communion must be received standing. But they are wrong in mandating that too.

I fact as I grew up before Vatican II with the TLM, sticking your tongue out to receive Holy Communion
was an abnormal way to take and eat.

It was the normal way for every Latin rite Catholic for well over a thousand years.

Jesus never mandated receiving on the tongue.

Jesus never mandated any method of reception.

The practice was odd ...

The practice was the norm.

and most
Catholics who were in the Church before Vatican II, receive in the hand ....

What are you actually trying to say in that sentence?

and got more out of Mass once the vernacular
was allowed.

I'll grant you that, even though we did have parallel Latin and English guides to the mass in those bad old days.

Better to understand the words of prayer than to sit there and listen to the priest and altar boys mumble
the words that were mostly mimicked.

Some of us actually learned the Latin. I guess others didn't bother.

Keep in mind that PA systems were not what they are today!

What does the quality of a PA system have to do with anything? Were there no valid masses until PA systems matured?

 

[RileyG]

We have a communion rail in my parish and I love it!

 

[chevyontheriver]

We have a communion rail in my parish and I love it!

But is it used or merely decorative?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I live in a town where I sometimes attend a parish similar to the article in the OP. It is beautiful inside and has the communion rail, ad orientem, some chant, some Latin, and I do love it and I think most of the parishioners do too, but (and here is a big but) I think it causes some of them to delegitimize other ways that parishes do their Mass. I also think it's kind of hypocritical because their Saturday Vigils can have the same hymns as other more "modern" parishes do. Namely "Better is One Day." If you have a song like that at your parish and still delegitimize other parishes who are more "modern," I do think that's kind of hypocritical. Even if it's "only" at your Vigil Masses.

We shouldn’t be rushing to delegitimize anybody but we all seem to be drawn to do that. I’d like a liturgy like Vatican II actually asked for, but that’s quite rare. Amy Welborn found one. Good for her.

 

[RileyG]

But is it used or merely decorative?

YES! It is ALWAYS used.

 

[RileyG]

www.reverentcatholicmass.com

This includes reverent Masses. It has The Mass of Pope Paul VI (AKA Ordinary Form, novous order), Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Ukrainian, Maronite, etc), the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM AKA Extraordinary Form). It includes Diocesan Masses, those in monasteries, college campuses, chapels, and parishes.

Very handy site!

 

[RileyG]

Actually the Mass changed in the 1960's, I was there. The Church doesn't mandate that communion on the tongue is the
only way to receive. I fact as I grew up before Vatican II with the TLM, sticking your tongue out to receive Holy Communion
was an abnormal way to take and eat. Jesus never mandated receiving on the tongue. The practice was odd and most
Catholics who were in the Church before Vatican II, receive in the hand and got more out of Mass once the vernacular
was allowed. Better to understand the words of prayer than to sit there and listen to the priest and altar boys mumble
the words that were mostly mimicked. Keep in mind that PA systems were not what they are today!

Mass is Mass. Both are valid. Both nourish the soul. That's my humble opinion.

Christ is always present in the Eucharist. At the end of the day, that's all that REALLY matters? eh?

 

[RileyG]

A communion rail, much Latin, ad orientem, chant ... the horrors ... the sacrilege ... the deviance ... the utter backwardness of it all. It must be stamped out. Send in a Boomer priest to restore clown masses or something. We must have liturgical uniformity so we can promote diversity and inclusion.

Thankfully, younger priests are becoming more orthodox and traditional. Thanks be to God!

 

[chevyontheriver]

www.reverentcatholicmass.com

This includes reverent Masses. It has The Mass of Pope Paul VI (AKA Ordinary Form, novous order), Eastern Rites (Byzantine, Ukrainian, Maronite, etc), the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM AKA Extraordinary Form). It includes Diocesan Masses, those in monasteries, college campuses, chapels, and parishes.

Very handy site!

My old parish from before I moved was on that list.

 

[FaithT]

We have a communion rail in my parish and I love it!

We don’t.

 

[RileyG]

We don’t.

Most parishes don’t. Unless it’s a Latin Mass parish. Just FYI.

 

[RileyG]

My old parish from before I moved was on that list.

I’m surprised my parish isn’t on that list. We have incense almost every Sunday and the altar rail
Is always used.

 

[Lady Bug]

I’m surprised my parish isn’t on that list. We have incense almost every Sunday and the altar rail
Is always used.

Ha, the parish I was talking about, is.