If that is true, then what is his meaning? Cause and Effect does not apply to one such being.
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If God could come from nothing, then yes why can;t humans. But God didn't come from nothing, he Always was, he eternal before with no start, and last after with no end, and is not changing nor in motion, and time doesn't apply to him and change him.
Time doesn't apply to him. He has no quantifiable age like humans. He has no start.
I can prove it by math or by reason SithDoughnut, which is it?
If that is true, then what is his meaning? Cause and Effect does not apply to one such being.
What do you mean what is his meaning, all meaning and purpose is derived from him, it's better to ask what is your meaning and purpose.
A solid conclusion based on inductive reasoning from the behavior of the world around us.Also logic has been taught for centuries, Aristotle, others whom taught logic through history, did they not accept, "from nothing, nothing follows" as self-evident fact?
Time is an aspect of order "in" our universe. There may well be many other universes. This has been conjectured by physicists. No one knows. And thats the main point: we have no basis for definitive statements about what a universe requires.Universe is not outside time, if you want to talk about things outside time, give a new name, because universe refers to everything in time, you and I and the animals and trees and stars are all part of the universe and are in time.
Good point.A solid conclusion based on inductive reasoning from the behavior of the world around us.
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Time is an aspect of order "in" our universe. There may well be many other universes. This has been conjectured by physists. No one knows. And thats the main point: we have no basis for definitive statements about what a universe requires.
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SPACE and TIME are evident within the universe. But they may have NO application to the universe itself. And if time is not relevant, then neither is cause. Who knows?
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Yes, arithmetic with infinite quantities allows to do it.
No one knows.
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the arithmetic allows it because it's continous and we never reach the end. The arithmetic has no bearing on the reality, and it doesn't tell us the truth of that.
This is also true of Set theory, it doesn't prove anything on reality and doesn't disclose sure facts, specially, facts that contradict facts we know through intuitive math, like + 1 makes something more.
It would have be same infinity or less of people, and same infinity or more, with the hotel for it to work.
Time has series of points connecting, we can keeping going and going in disecting it, but despite the infinite possibility of disection, and the arethmatic, making these equal, we know 10 seconds is less then 20 seconds, no matter what Arethmatic or set theory says about the matter.
Yes.... IN TIME. In a temporal framework.Existence can't pop of out non-existence, and effects need a cause. If you want to deny these as sure facts go ahead.
Are you positive with complete metaphysical certitude that humans could not have lied about God.
Yes.... IN TIME.
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I am proposing ONE POSSIBLE solution that explains how the universe would not require a cause:You can limit to "in time" but don't expect the rest of us to, but the whole universe is in time. I really don't get what your imagining btw to even help you out.
But if something "popped" into existence or "changed", then it's time. Whatever changes or comes to existence, is in time by definition.
Again, I am part of the definition of the universe, and I am in time. So please talk sense.
I am proposing ONE POSSIBLE solution that explains how the universe would not require a cause:
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ITS ETERNAL. Time takes place "inside" it. But the whole universe itself exists eternally and is not subject to the rules of objects inside a universe. There's no good reason why this could not be the case.
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AND. Ask any believer in God... they all believe in an eternal existence or realm. So the idea should be too far out for you.
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If time doesn't apply to God, God can't act, because to act is to change -to change from not having acted to having acted.
We can concieve of the universe as not just stuff... but the framework in which stuff happens.Did time start? How did start?
You want to say this mindless entity (your calling int he universe, but universe is the existence we know of, trees, planets, etc) is causing the universe, made time start? Has no cause...
Ok so you just making the Ultimate Cause mindless and powerless and without and somehow causing the whole universe and starting time.
what is inside of what and what does inside even mean here? Your talking jumbo, instead of facing reality.
We can concieve of the universe as not just stuff... but the framework in which stuff happens.
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To vastly oversimplify, think of it as a greenhouse. It has dirt, plants, heat, water. But then there's the greenhouse itself. A different thing than its contents, perhaps built in the frozen arctic.
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I'm suggesting that the universe may "contain" space, time, and matter. But the universe itself may have its own sort of existence, not necessarily subject to the rules of space. time and matter.
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