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Psalm 83
verse 1 Fulfilled in God Speaking forth His New Creation in the New Testament.
verse 2 Enemies of God... those who Jesus said were the enemies of the Gospel (did God change enemies?)
Isaih 19:16-23 How is it NOT fulfilled in Christs mission, death, resurrection and coming into His own beginning 2000 years ago?
No, it's not second guessing, it's from what most post here, most don't believe in a rapture, they say so.
They don't believe the scriptures tell of being caught up to Heaven even though there are many that do tell just that, so it's logical that they are happy with their lives in the world.
In the Lord's prayer, we pray
"Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
The coming glorious kingdom of God is on Earth. Those Christians who remain to the end will rule with Jesus and the martyrs for 1000 years in a glorious reign of the Church.
As in the days of Noah the bad guys will be taken away. Yes, I'm happy to be among those who are left.
Again, you ignore the very specific peoples being discussed in this chapter as well as the fact that the Psalmist is prophesying their literal death, not their conversion.
18In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Where are the 5 cities that speak the language of Canaan? Where is the altar in Egypt? Again, we are just very divergent in our views on how to read the Bible.
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And in case I don't get to come back here, this is what he reported to the moderators and administrators here from this thread:
Get it right posted to ava maria:
"You are in a minority that don't believe the bible."
And this is what I actually said:
"You are in a minority that dosn't seem to believe that the bible say's that, IMO anyway."
You can go back a page or two or three and see for yourself, my post has been deleted, but you can see what I said from ava marias reply.
some in CF are led by demons, posters and staffers, no doubt about it.
i cannot fully speak about amillennialism because i have done very little study on it... the only thing I do know is that if that teaching were taught by Christ, the early church would of taught it as well, but they didn't teach amillennialism... they were chiliasts.
Such as Luke 21:31[which I myself view a fulfilled ehehe]I don't really know about amillennialism either other than it is a theological term used to label those like Jesus who taught that the Kingdom of God is at hand.
This is the signature of one of our forum moderators.
And in case I don't get to come back here, this is what he reported to the moderators and administrators here from this thread:
Get it right posted to ava maria:
"You are in a minority that don't believe the bible."
And this is what I actually said:
"You are in a minority that dosn't seem to believe that the bible say's that, IMO anyway."
You can go back a page or two or three and see for yourself, my post has been deleted, but you can see what I said from ava marias reply.
some in CF are led by demons, posters and staffers, no doubt about it.
Such as Luke 21:31[which I myself view a fulfilled ehehe]
Reve 1:3 Happy the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written for the Time NIGH/egguV <1451>. [Reve 22:6,10]
Luke 21:31 "Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these these becoming, ye are knowing that NIGH/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God."
Exactly. Where are those cities? 5 cities... what does that mean? The language of Canaan, what does that mean? What/who is Egypt? Is it the real estate made up of dirt that sphinxes and pyramids sit on? Of course not. One must understand the Language of God and the Revealing of His Spirit in these Spirtual meanings. You will get quite theologically crossed up if you attempt to force it into some kind of literal futuristic thing confined to a piece of real estate in some obscure future. Such a worthless concept to spend thought or energy upon! That kind of theology only arises because one hasn't received eyes to see. Jesus said, "destroy this temple in three days and I'll raise it up". The Pharisees ran the words around and came back at Him as though Jesus said He was going to destroy the temple. Don't get caught in that 'straining at a gnat' carnal mentality dear friend, just because you don't understand what He MEANS.
The Lord presents His salvation in a manner that those who think they can see it are blinded by their forcing of a physical application of Spiritually intended scripture. Because they are blinded, they can't see it any other way. Jesus always spoke in parables. Christ is the author of the old testament as well as the new. The Pharisees thought that everything concerning the Kingdom of God was supposed to happen to their plot of real estate and their city and that it would be established before their eyes on this "planet". They were wrong, dead wrong. Because they were blind to what Jesus was MEANING. And yet, look how many people today who call themselves Christians STILL believe that! Jesus quite clearly said that the Kingdom of God does not come in any observable manner on this planet. Why do people still refute Him today? It is incredible to me.
I am here to tell you while it is TODAY, that of a CERTAINTY, with no exception... That this IS FULFILLED to all those in Christ and has been continually fulfilled to His Elect for the last 2000 years... for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
Have you not cried unto the Lord? Have you not been oppressed? Has He not sent you a saviour? A great one in fact? And have you not been delievered?
Who do you think that Almighty God is referring to? Do you not think that those unto whom He has ordained to receive this would know it was fulfilled unto them?
Have you not this witness dear NJBELIEVER?
Please, think long and hard upon these things dear friend.
Your brother in Love,
Son of Israel
Again, you ignore the very specific peoples being discussed in this chapter as well as the fact that the Psalmist is prophesying their literal death, not their conversion.
I am of that very specific people being discussed in that chapter as well as every other O.T. chapter that prophecies of Israel's Salvation that God has Promised. All Christians are. Do you think God has a separate plan of salvation for one group of people from another?? I will not be robbed of my heritage sir. For all that is spoken of in the law and the prophets IS fulfilled when Christ CAME AS PROMISED.
My baptism is more of a literal death than any other form of "death" could ever be. Because now, the second death (bodily physical death) has no power over me. God isn't concerned about "physical" death, it means nothing to Him. He is Lord over death. Our baptism satisfies the sentence of death over us we've inherited from Adam. Does not Paul give us plenty of scripture specifically telling us that? It is that MEANS by which we can cry ABBA FATHER.
The price has been paid, the death in Christ has released us from death. This again, is a spiritually discerned Truth.
It is of the carnal mind, to dis-own one's self from the Blessing and the Birthright. But if a man has the mind of Christ, they will know these truths.
I pray for you my dear brother.
Son of Israel
Again, I will just withdraw from the debate because you and I have completely different ways of reading the Bible. You are reading it as allegorical. I am reading it as literal, especially prophecy. So given that our approaches are so different, searching the scriptures is not going to be fruitful.
I would like to know though: what prophecies do you see as literal, if any?
SonofIsrael -- You are describing metaphors and then calling them literal. Let's just agree to disagree. We just see the Bible very differently. I may be absolutely wrong, but I believe that when God says he is going to lay a country to waste and make it desolate so that no one ever inhabits it again, that acutal physical location is toast. It's going to be physically and literally destroyed (i.e., buildings, wrecked, streets torn up, etc.) and no one is going to physically live in that geographic space.
I understand that you see it differently and I completely respect it. God bless.
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