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Rev. 3:10 does not mention a rapture... it simply talks of protection in the midst of temptation
not in the way that pre-trib doctrine teaches... Rev. 3:10 does not teach the act of being taken away before ever going through it... John 17:15 clearly shows that, using the same phrase "ek tereo", not to mention when we look at other verses talking of temptation, it never talks about being secretly snatched away before we ever go experience it... it always talks about endurance and perseverance in the face of or in the midst of temptation.True, but it is illogical to say that the principle stated there can never apply to the rapture.
lest we not forget:What happens at the moment of the rapture:
1 Cor 15: 50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
1. Trumpet sounds
2. Dead rise
3. We are all changed - our bodies are glorified/redeemed. (clothed in immortality)
4. We are caught up to meet the Lord. (thone of God)
If you look through Revelation, is there anything in there describing the above?
Rev 6:
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 7:
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 19: 6Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
"Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)
...
lest we not forget:
Rev. 20:4-6
4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
and where does the Bible talk of a "first resurrection before the first resurrection"?
where does the Bible talk of "a last trumpet before the last trumpet"?
people were pushing this double talk nonsense and man-made doctrine in the 1830's as well... Samuel Tregelles saw that in his day
and where does the Bible talk of a "first resurrection before the first resurrection"?
where does the Bible talk of "a last trumpet before the last trumpet"?
people were pushing this double talk nonsense and man-made doctrine in the 1830's as well... Samuel Tregelles saw that in his day
the only thing you show me is the lies and misinterpretations that Dispensationalists constantly push today.
you keep talking... I'm not gonna listen, because you're so hell-bent on trying to prove pre-trib is right, you will take any verse in the Bible and twist it to your liking.
The Word fo God says there is a first resurrection and a second resurrection... not a "first first resurrection" and a "second first resurrection", as dispensationalism teaches. Christ also taught unity within the church, and that includes Jews AND Gentiles... there is no separation, and God shows no favoritism to any race, gender, or nation. We are all treated the same, and we will all go through the great tribulation the same.
I suggest you get prepared for persecution, because that's exactly what tribulation is: persecution.
Christ not only taught Covenant Theology (Col. 3:11, Rom. 10:9-13, Eph2:11-22, Gal. 3:26-29, Gal. 6:15-16, Rom. 2:26-29), but post-trib as well (2 Thes. 2:1-4, 1 Thes. 5:1-4, Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Matt. 24:13)
and when you aren't secretly snatched away, and you see the Antichrist revealed to the world, you'll see that you were taught a lie, and you won't be able to say "no one told me".
I don't buy HisdaughterJen's personal interpretation of the Bible, and I never will.
you can if you want... but when we're still here during the bowls of wrath, even HisdaughterJen's teachings won't give you comfort.
God NEVER said He would physically remove us from His "thumos" wrath... just as God protected Noah from the flood while Noah went thru it, and just how God protected the Jews from the plagues while they went through it, God will protect us from His "thumos" wrath while we go through it.
no scripture in the Bible says that God will make people secretly fly away from wrath... the wrath in which we are not appointed to via 1 Thess. 1:10 & 1 Thess. 5:9 is the judgment that unbelievers will face: the Second death.
no, the church doesn't have to be removed... if it was removed, then those who are saved during the great tribulation would have to be raptured as well, because according to your false teaching, the Holy Spirit must be removed, along with the church, and the only way the Holy Spirit can be removed from the earth is by removing those who are saved during the great tribulation.
pre-trib is nothing but double talk, and you fell for it
Christ says it beautifully in Matthew 24:29-31:
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I'll still be here when you see the Man of Sin appear to the world, and you will be too...
until that time, we will wait, and just see who was right: dispensational premillennialism or Jesus Christ.
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