There is no such thing as "the rapture"

[Ave Maria]

It's true. There is no such thing as "the rapture". There will be a second coming of Christ but there will be no "rapture" before some great tribulation. Sure, there may be a great tribulation before Christ's second coming but there will not be a "rapture" before this. For more information on the "rapture" and the second coming of Christ, read the links below:

The Rapture

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING

God bless,
Holly

 

[get it right]

It's true. There is no such thing as "the rapture". There will be a second coming of Christ but there will be no "rapture" before some great tribulation. Sure, there may be a great tribulation before Christ's second coming but there will not be a "rapture" before this. For more information on the "rapture" and the second coming of Christ, read the links below:

The Rapture

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING

God bless,
Holly

That's your opinion but the bible tells us of a catching up to Christ.
You are in a minority that dosn't seem to believe that the bible say's that, IMO anyway.

Ummm, having thought about that, you may be in the majority, most don't believe that christians will be caught up to Christ.

The reason being, they are happy with their lives in the world.
True christians are not, they are longing for their Heavenly reward.

 

[kotel]

Colossians 2:18-19 NIV
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels (or saints) disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body , supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

2 Peter 3:15-16
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[interpreter]

I agree that there's no rapture. Jesus never mentions it, either in the Gospels, or in the Revelation, which is given to us directly by Jesus.

 

[Ave Maria]

That's your opinion but the bible tells us of a catching up to Christ.
You are in a minority that dosn't seem to believe that the bible say's that, IMO anyway.

Ummm, having thought about that, you may be in the majority, most don't believe that christians will be caught up to Christ.

The reason being, they are happy with their lives in the world.
True christians are not, they are longing for their Heavenly reward.

Of course there will be a catching up to Christ. This will happen at the second coming when all people will be caught up and will be judged.

 

[get it right]

Of course there will be a catching up to Christ. This will happen at the second coming when all people will be caught up and will be judged.

The catching up I'm referring to, the one commonly called the rapture, involves only those in Christ, not all people.

1 thess 4: 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Paul is talking to believers.
we here is believers alive at His coming.

 

[B1inHim]

Colossians 2:18-19 NIV
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels (or saints) disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body , supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

2 Peter 3:15-16
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Excellent and completely understood...
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[get it right]

Excellent and completely understood...
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Good you are finally getting it.

 

[NJBeliever]

Actually Jesus does mention it in Luke. And He is the author of Revelation after all.

 

[Dale]

Get It Right in post #2:
"Ummm, having thought about that, you may be in the majority, most don't believe that christians will be caught up to Christ.

The reason being, they are happy with their lives in the world.
True christians are not, they are longing for their Heavenly reward."


In a logic text this would be an example of the psychogenic fallacy. You are second guessing other people on their motives for believing something. It's logically invalid.


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[contrabar]

Actually Jesus does mention it in Luke. And He is the author of Revelation after all.

Christ also mentioned it in Matthew 24 and Mark 13

 

[B1inHim]

It's true. There is no such thing as "the rapture". There will be a second coming of Christ but there will be no "rapture" before some great tribulation. Sure, there may be a great tribulation before Christ's second coming but there will not be a "rapture" before this. For more information on the "rapture" and the second coming of Christ, read the links below:

The Rapture

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Catholic Answers: This Rock: Quick Questions: Second Coming

Scripture Catholic - THE SECOND COMING

God bless,
Holly

This in all honesty is clearly promoting your church's doctrine here concerning this subject...
What if "they" are wrong, then what?

 

[Ave Maria]

This in all honesty is clearly promoting your church's doctrine here concerning this subject...
What if "they" are wrong, then what?

Tell me though, what if they are right (which they are )?

Also, even if there really is going to be a "rapture", I'm still in a win win situation because I believe in being prepared for the second coming of Jesus no matter when or how it may be.

 

[Ave Maria]

If there is no such thing as the rapture then how do you explain these verses?

(Matthew 24:40 KJV) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Matthew 24:41 KJV) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

(1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(Revelation 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

God Bless,
FundamentalBaptistLady

 

[get it right]

If there is no such thing as the rapture then how do you explain these verses?

(Matthew 24:40 KJV) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Matthew 24:41 KJV) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

(1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(Revelation 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

God Bless,
FundamentalBaptistLady

 

[interpreter]

If there is no such thing as the rapture then how do you explain these verses?

(Matthew 24:40 KJV) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Matthew 24:41 KJV) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

As in the days of Noah, the bad guys will be taken, and the good guys left behind. (Mat. 24:38-39)

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Not sure what this verse has to do with it.

(1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You know what St. Peter said about Paul, don't you? (See 2 Peter 3:15-16)

(Revelation 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

FundamentalBaptistLady

I like the more literal translation of the NIV:

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth." (Rev. 3:10)

This verse is part of the letter to the Philadelphia church -- which happens to be the only one of the 7 Asian churches to endure to the present day and will no doubt, despite the best Satan can throw at it, be able to see the glorious 1000 year reign of the Church (coming soon).

It can't be talking about a rapture because no mention of it is found in the main body of the Revelation.

 

[contrabar]

If there is no such thing as the rapture then how do you explain these verses?

(Matthew 24:40 KJV) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Matthew 24:41 KJV) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

in the days of Noah, it was the wicked that was taken away... not Noah. Noah was left behind on the earth.

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

wrath is nt, has never been, and never will be tribulation [John 16:33]

(1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

certain events must occur before the day above happens... Paul knew that, and taught it, and taught against imminence

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (ESV)
1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

(Revelation 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

"keep thee from" or "ek tereo" does not mean "keep them out by entering into it"... it means "protection while in the midst". Try reading John 17:15. and then when it comes to temptation, try reading 1 Peter 4:12-17, 1 Peter 1:6-7, James 1:2-4, James 1:12, and 1 Corinthians 10:11

this is the problem with pre-trib... it takes everything out of context

 

[HarrisonS]

It can't be talking about a rapture because no mention of it is found in the main body of the Revelation.

This statement is not logical; it is a non sequeteur. The absence of an explicit reference to the rapture in the main body of Revelation does not logically preclude v. 3:10 from referring to the rapture.

 

[contrabar]

Rev. 3:10 does not mention a rapture... it simply talks of protection in the midst of temptation

 

[HarrisonS]

If there is no such thing as the rapture then how do you explain these verses?

(Matthew 24:40 KJV) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
(Matthew 24:41 KJV) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

(1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(Revelation 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

God Bless,
FundamentalBaptistLady

Right on! While I might quibble with a couple of your references, this would be a moot point anyway. I see that you have done your homework, and your conclusions are fully correct. Keep up the good work!